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		<title>By: CIB Bill</title>
		<link>http://scvtalk.com/2008/04/09/april-9-2008-daily-brief/#comment-1630</link>
		<dc:creator>CIB Bill</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 10 Apr 2008 16:30:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Uhhh, Cash..... I suppose you missed Ender's full support for Henry Mayo/G&#38;L's Office Expansion Project.  I'd call that a misstep!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Uhhh, Cash&#8230;.. I suppose you missed Ender&#8217;s full support for Henry Mayo/G&amp;L&#8217;s Office Expansion Project.  I&#8217;d call that a misstep!</p>
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		<title>By: cash</title>
		<link>http://scvtalk.com/2008/04/09/april-9-2008-daily-brief/#comment-1629</link>
		<dc:creator>cash</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 10 Apr 2008 16:17:42 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Enders missteps have not be proven.  Kellars missteps have and he has not apologised!
Are you not using a double standard here?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Enders missteps have not be proven.  Kellars missteps have and he has not apologised!<br />
Are you not using a double standard here?</p>
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		<title>By: Pauline Harte</title>
		<link>http://scvtalk.com/2008/04/09/april-9-2008-daily-brief/#comment-1628</link>
		<dc:creator>Pauline Harte</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 10 Apr 2008 16:10:16 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>We the people, you have amazing insight into the "social manipulation" issue.  "TeeJay" still bugged by lil ol' me, I see, but isn't it nice to know, Wethepeople, that he didn't refute or question a single thing YOU have stated here.  When you're right you're RIGHT! :-D 

As for for being told to reach out to Ender, it is Ender who needs to reach out to us.  As an elected representative, she will be working for us.  When she apologizes to us for her part in this mess, then I will be more than happy to reach out, and I will wipe the slate clean.

We who are attempting to bring honesty and transparency to our local government are the truly disenfranchised in this city right now. 

I will make it easy:  if Ender "just" apologizes for any  "regrettable misunderstandings" thst arose from her campaign in this election, I would accept that.  My husband and I raised our two wonderful daughters to understand the principals of being personally accountable for their actions.  We raised them to be sorry if their actions hurt others, and we raised them to hold their heads up and apologize when neccessary so all concerned have a chance to move on with a clean slate.  

So - in the spirit of moving on and wiping the slate clean, if Laurie Ender would like to apologize for "misunderstandings" that arose from her election "mishaps," I would personally accept that apology and move on with my clean slate.  I think the council session at which she is sworn in would be a perfect opportunity for Ender to reach out to all us disenfranchised folks who have trouble accepting how this city was torn apart in the name of the win at any cost kinda politics from the Ender campaign. This city is wounded and bleeding, and an apology is the ONLY medicine that will start the healing process on its way.

I don't even need an apology for Cemex because I have always just considered myself a cog in that great machine.  My outrage there is pretty much for Bob Kellar and Laurne Weste who worked their rears off for this city on this issue while being TOTALLY abandoned by Buck McKeon year after year after year. But, free ride here, in the interest of moving on.

So here is how it is:  forget Cemex, Laurie, just apologize to this city, to the disenfranchised, for all the "misunderstandings," and we can all move on. The healing process must begin now, or it will never happen, and only you, Laurie, can set this process in motion. If we receive an apology from you, even if it is for misundertandings, I will be applauding along with everyone else as you are sworn in. 

As we told our daughters, a clean slate must be earned - and this important life-principal should certainly be applicable to all elected representatives.

And here is my phone number, in case Laurie would like to start the healing process even sooner:  255-2695.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>We the people, you have amazing insight into the &#8220;social manipulation&#8221; issue.  &#8220;TeeJay&#8221; still bugged by lil ol&#8217; me, I see, but isn&#8217;t it nice to know, Wethepeople, that he didn&#8217;t refute or question a single thing YOU have stated here.  When you&#8217;re right you&#8217;re RIGHT! <img src='http://scvtalk.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_biggrin.gif' alt=':-D' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
<p>As for for being told to reach out to Ender, it is Ender who needs to reach out to us.  As an elected representative, she will be working for us.  When she apologizes to us for her part in this mess, then I will be more than happy to reach out, and I will wipe the slate clean.</p>
<p>We who are attempting to bring honesty and transparency to our local government are the truly disenfranchised in this city right now. </p>
<p>I will make it easy:  if Ender &#8220;just&#8221; apologizes for any  &#8220;regrettable misunderstandings&#8221; thst arose from her campaign in this election, I would accept that.  My husband and I raised our two wonderful daughters to understand the principals of being personally accountable for their actions.  We raised them to be sorry if their actions hurt others, and we raised them to hold their heads up and apologize when neccessary so all concerned have a chance to move on with a clean slate.  </p>
<p>So - in the spirit of moving on and wiping the slate clean, if Laurie Ender would like to apologize for &#8220;misunderstandings&#8221; that arose from her election &#8220;mishaps,&#8221; I would personally accept that apology and move on with my clean slate.  I think the council session at which she is sworn in would be a perfect opportunity for Ender to reach out to all us disenfranchised folks who have trouble accepting how this city was torn apart in the name of the win at any cost kinda politics from the Ender campaign. This city is wounded and bleeding, and an apology is the ONLY medicine that will start the healing process on its way.</p>
<p>I don&#8217;t even need an apology for Cemex because I have always just considered myself a cog in that great machine.  My outrage there is pretty much for Bob Kellar and Laurne Weste who worked their rears off for this city on this issue while being TOTALLY abandoned by Buck McKeon year after year after year. But, free ride here, in the interest of moving on.</p>
<p>So here is how it is:  forget Cemex, Laurie, just apologize to this city, to the disenfranchised, for all the &#8220;misunderstandings,&#8221; and we can all move on. The healing process must begin now, or it will never happen, and only you, Laurie, can set this process in motion. If we receive an apology from you, even if it is for misundertandings, I will be applauding along with everyone else as you are sworn in. </p>
<p>As we told our daughters, a clean slate must be earned - and this important life-principal should certainly be applicable to all elected representatives.</p>
<p>And here is my phone number, in case Laurie would like to start the healing process even sooner:  255-2695.</p>
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		<title>By: WethepeopleSCV</title>
		<link>http://scvtalk.com/2008/04/09/april-9-2008-daily-brief/#comment-1627</link>
		<dc:creator>WethepeopleSCV</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 10 Apr 2008 06:24:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Lvogel,

Very well said, thanks for your comments. WethepeopleSCV will certainly be involved helping you when those issues come at us. Redemption for Ender will not come easy, your right. We'll see!

CIB Bill, 

You crack me up! LOL Cheers mate   Thanks again</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Lvogel,</p>
<p>Very well said, thanks for your comments. WethepeopleSCV will certainly be involved helping you when those issues come at us. Redemption for Ender will not come easy, your right. We&#8217;ll see!</p>
<p>CIB Bill, </p>
<p>You crack me up! LOL Cheers mate   Thanks again</p>
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		<title>By: lvogel</title>
		<link>http://scvtalk.com/2008/04/09/april-9-2008-daily-brief/#comment-1626</link>
		<dc:creator>lvogel</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 10 Apr 2008 05:39:42 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>WethepeopleSCV on Apr 9th, 2008 at 2:48 pm 

"Step outside of the inner circle of who’s who at city hall, the opinion makers, speakers, accusers, movers and shakers, and you’ll find that most people don’t know a darn thing about what’s gong on in the city and nor do most of the people care. They’re busy feeding there children, going to soccer, cub scouts, and coaching T-ball, and paying their mortgage. However a few do perform their civic duty and vote even when they don’t know who’s really who and what their motivations really are."

I was one of those who did 'their civic duty', but didn't know a thing about what was going on untill the G&#38;L Developement came up almost 4 years ago.  I'm also ashamed to admit (but will)that I voted for Frank.  Why?  I didn't know better!  My husband knew-of-him from the Indian Guides.  I had a friend who knew him from Parks and Rec.  That's about it.  It's apparent now that Frank got into the City Politics Scene for ego only.  It's apparent at the meetings that he has not done the necessary reading and research into any of the issues that come up before him. 

I will try to remain optimistic that most of the people making the decisions for us tax payers are making those decisions without any special interests behind them.  

I will continue to keep my ears and eyes open whenever something comes up within our city that will effect EVERYONE, not just a few.  The G&#38;L developement will effect EVERYONE.  The Mule Farm development will effect EVERYONE.  

I will never vote for any candidate on any level again, without knowing what that candidate stands for.  Why that candidate is running.  

Being a PTA/Soccer mom, and I'm sure VERY involved with her community, Laurie 'knows' a lot of people.  However, knowing people is not going to make the Council Member!  She'll have to work very hard to show it wasn't her ego that made her want to run for City Council.  I will be at those meetings when these 2 particular issues come up and hopefully she'll prove herself to those 'civic minded', 'don't know who they voted for' people. Hopefully they won't be as dissapointed as I was when I found out who the 'real' Frank Ferry was.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>WethepeopleSCV on Apr 9th, 2008 at 2:48 pm </p>
<p>&#8220;Step outside of the inner circle of who’s who at city hall, the opinion makers, speakers, accusers, movers and shakers, and you’ll find that most people don’t know a darn thing about what’s gong on in the city and nor do most of the people care. They’re busy feeding there children, going to soccer, cub scouts, and coaching T-ball, and paying their mortgage. However a few do perform their civic duty and vote even when they don’t know who’s really who and what their motivations really are.&#8221;</p>
<p>I was one of those who did &#8216;their civic duty&#8217;, but didn&#8217;t know a thing about what was going on untill the G&amp;L Developement came up almost 4 years ago.  I&#8217;m also ashamed to admit (but will)that I voted for Frank.  Why?  I didn&#8217;t know better!  My husband knew-of-him from the Indian Guides.  I had a friend who knew him from Parks and Rec.  That&#8217;s about it.  It&#8217;s apparent now that Frank got into the City Politics Scene for ego only.  It&#8217;s apparent at the meetings that he has not done the necessary reading and research into any of the issues that come up before him. </p>
<p>I will try to remain optimistic that most of the people making the decisions for us tax payers are making those decisions without any special interests behind them.  </p>
<p>I will continue to keep my ears and eyes open whenever something comes up within our city that will effect EVERYONE, not just a few.  The G&amp;L developement will effect EVERYONE.  The Mule Farm development will effect EVERYONE.  </p>
<p>I will never vote for any candidate on any level again, without knowing what that candidate stands for.  Why that candidate is running.  </p>
<p>Being a PTA/Soccer mom, and I&#8217;m sure VERY involved with her community, Laurie &#8216;knows&#8217; a lot of people.  However, knowing people is not going to make the Council Member!  She&#8217;ll have to work very hard to show it wasn&#8217;t her ego that made her want to run for City Council.  I will be at those meetings when these 2 particular issues come up and hopefully she&#8217;ll prove herself to those &#8216;civic minded&#8217;, &#8216;don&#8217;t know who they voted for&#8217; people. Hopefully they won&#8217;t be as dissapointed as I was when I found out who the &#8216;real&#8217; Frank Ferry was.</p>
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		<title>By: TeeJay</title>
		<link>http://scvtalk.com/2008/04/09/april-9-2008-daily-brief/#comment-1625</link>
		<dc:creator>TeeJay</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 10 Apr 2008 04:35:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>"You need to move on, “TeeJay,” take that deep breath, and blah, blah, blah..."

I was hoping that, seeing as you and your side got your butts spanked (oooo... bad visual) that you'd just take a deep breath and go away.

It wasn't to be, you're still here, spewing hate.  It's OK, though, because my side won.  Deal with it.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;You need to move on, “TeeJay,” take that deep breath, and blah, blah, blah&#8230;&#8221;</p>
<p>I was hoping that, seeing as you and your side got your butts spanked (oooo&#8230; bad visual) that you&#8217;d just take a deep breath and go away.</p>
<p>It wasn&#8217;t to be, you&#8217;re still here, spewing hate.  It&#8217;s OK, though, because my side won.  Deal with it.</p>
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		<title>By: CIB Bill</title>
		<link>http://scvtalk.com/2008/04/09/april-9-2008-daily-brief/#comment-1624</link>
		<dc:creator>CIB Bill</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 10 Apr 2008 01:03:45 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>WethePeople, your assesment is spot on!  For the record, T.M.'s mom wears combat boots. . .</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>WethePeople, your assesment is spot on!  For the record, T.M.&#8217;s mom wears combat boots. . .</p>
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		<title>By: WethepeopleSCV</title>
		<link>http://scvtalk.com/2008/04/09/april-9-2008-daily-brief/#comment-1623</link>
		<dc:creator>WethepeopleSCV</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 10 Apr 2008 00:31:20 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hay Tim, I'm sure you are cool. I don't want to disagree with ones own mother. I liked your work last night by the way. Good job. 

"The email"- If that's true I can easily take that, however the other facts remain. Her behavior is unchanged. That being said, if you really don't understand social manipulation based on human gullibility then you really need to head over to our local collage and take a sociology course or something. Social manipulation are things that math doesn't have the answers for. However, statistical models will tell you that people have just the same probability of being influenced to accept incorrect information as truth, the same as correct information as untruth depending how it presented. Her strategy was (based on a lack of personal qualities) to get as much misinformation out to the masses that would hoist herself up based on negatives of others. If the negatives were true that would be one thing. In this case they weren't. 

Yes, some people voted for her, not because she was their favorite person, but because she falsely knocked out Spierer in the minds of voters with characterizations that were untrue.

Needless to say it's over and now the people work begins. I hope we all plan to be a part of it.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hay Tim, I&#8217;m sure you are cool. I don&#8217;t want to disagree with ones own mother. I liked your work last night by the way. Good job. </p>
<p>&#8220;The email&#8221;- If that&#8217;s true I can easily take that, however the other facts remain. Her behavior is unchanged. That being said, if you really don&#8217;t understand social manipulation based on human gullibility then you really need to head over to our local collage and take a sociology course or something. Social manipulation are things that math doesn&#8217;t have the answers for. However, statistical models will tell you that people have just the same probability of being influenced to accept incorrect information as truth, the same as correct information as untruth depending how it presented. Her strategy was (based on a lack of personal qualities) to get as much misinformation out to the masses that would hoist herself up based on negatives of others. If the negatives were true that would be one thing. In this case they weren&#8217;t. </p>
<p>Yes, some people voted for her, not because she was their favorite person, but because she falsely knocked out Spierer in the minds of voters with characterizations that were untrue.</p>
<p>Needless to say it&#8217;s over and now the people work begins. I hope we all plan to be a part of it.</p>
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		<title>By: timothy.myers</title>
		<link>http://scvtalk.com/2008/04/09/april-9-2008-daily-brief/#comment-1622</link>
		<dc:creator>timothy.myers</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 09 Apr 2008 23:55:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>WeThePeople:

Well, I don't think people were tricked, so I guess I am totally ignorant of the facts and human nature.  But my Mom thinks I'm cool.

By the way, the infamous "Bob Kellar" must go email, which was actually just a cut and paste of a letter to the editor in the Signal, came from a firm that actually did work for Maria Gutzeit.  This was pointed out to KHTS so they took DOWN the original story, but did not do a retraction.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>WeThePeople:</p>
<p>Well, I don&#8217;t think people were tricked, so I guess I am totally ignorant of the facts and human nature.  But my Mom thinks I&#8217;m cool.</p>
<p>By the way, the infamous &#8220;Bob Kellar&#8221; must go email, which was actually just a cut and paste of a letter to the editor in the Signal, came from a firm that actually did work for Maria Gutzeit.  This was pointed out to KHTS so they took DOWN the original story, but did not do a retraction.</p>
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		<title>By: WethepeopleSCV</title>
		<link>http://scvtalk.com/2008/04/09/april-9-2008-daily-brief/#comment-1621</link>
		<dc:creator>WethepeopleSCV</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 09 Apr 2008 23:53:39 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Thanks CIB Bill for your second!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thanks CIB Bill for your second!</p>
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