WethepeopleSCV on Apr 8th, 2008 at 7:39 pm
“It’s time to be more involved then ever before. When Ender lacked what it took to win on the merits of her own positives - by inventing false negatives against others, taking illegal campaign dollars, and deceptive hit mail, then her election is truly unholy and illegitimate. She won from deceived voters obtained by lies and deceit. It’s an absolute same to all of us.
Everyone needs to be on “SCV RED ALERT” with her councilship. Wethepeoplescv will be a constant reminder to her and take action when deeded to correct issues that will directly appose the Santa Clarita Valley and our future. I have hopes She will become her own person and dump the secret combinations by those working against our interests. We will see.”

[Wow, and nothing from "TeeJay," nary a word of disagreement with ANYTHING Wethepeople said here]

And, “TeeJay” - one person’s opinion of another person’s opinion does not ever = documented proof of anything. :-/

I won’t even offer an opinion here, TeeJay, I will just report on the fact that at a Republican forum, Laurie Ender did NOT show up, nor did she even bother to fill out the questionaire sent to the candidates. Laurie sent Frank to speak for her.

At a City Council meeting, Frank Ferry said he told Laurie Ender not to come to the meeting to speak on the issue of the MRF. And Laurie did not speak, proving she does whatever Frank tells her to do. Frank tells her not to speak at a council meeting, and she obeys him. No opinion here, TeeJay, just reporting actual truths from actual meetings.

And TimBen Boydston chastised Frank Ferry for campaigning for Laurie Ender from his council seat.

Commentary: Frank didn’t get spanked! The status quo still rules in the City
Posted by admin under City of Santa Clarita , Dave Bossert

Well, the Santa Clarita City Council election is finally over and it wasn’t soon enough. This year’s election will go down as one of the worst as far as I am concerned. It was the lowest and dirtiest. It truly has further soured me on the current management of the City.

The election was certainly a “win-at-any-cost” affair by some of the candidates or their supporters and it was disgusting. The hit mailers; the over blown accusations and the attempted character assassination were absolutely embarrassing to watch. It had nothing to do with the issues or of a greater vision for the City or Santa Clarita Valley as a whole.

I was truly hoping that Laurie Ender would loss only because she was Frank Ferry’s candidate. If she had lost it would have been a public spanking for Frank; a rebuke by City voters tired of the small-minded politics that has festered in the City for so long.

Frank apparently boasted to a friend that when Laurie got elected he would be able to “control” the City Council vote and be able to further his agenda. Now that Ms. Ender has won, it will be interesting to see just how beholden she is to Frank. Only time will tell and her voting record over a period of time will be evidence of that.

Another friend and politically savvy individual assured me that Laurie Ender was her own person and not a puppet for Mr. Ferry. Again, I think actions will speak louder than words. She will have to prove to skeptics that she is in fact her own person and not indebted to Frank Ferry for her election to the City Council.

In any event, the status quo is still intact and there will not be any shift in the City’s vision or lack there of. That is sad. It is also a disappointment because the election itself was a microcosm of what is endemic in the City. It was a display of infighting, back-biting, lying and selfish behavior. The only thing it accomplished was to galvanize the myopic view that is currently the norm in the City.

With the exception of a few candidates, it lacked any vision or sense of serving the community for the greater good. What we will see in the next two years will be more of the same ridiculous circus twice a month at City Hall. One just has to look at the series of “Franken Ferry” videos on YouTube to see how City residents are treated and talked to at those meetings.

Why, in God’s name, would anyone want to be a part of that kind of carnival? Why would any community in the un-incorporated areas around the City want to be subjected to an environment that is not truthful or willing to honor their word? I for one would not consider any arrangement with the City unless it was in writing; a binding contract.

The election sent a clear and precise message that nothing will be changing anytime soon in the City. There will be more disingenuous rhetoric about One Valley/One Vision but the underlying meaning will still be “One City/Our Vision” which is nothing more than an oxymoron.

Dave Bossert Commentary

Dave Bossert is a community volunteer who serves on a number of boards and councils. His commentaries represent his own opinions and not necessarily the views of any organization he may be affiliated with or those of the West Ranch Beacon.

3 Responses to “Commentary: Frank didn’t get spanked! The status quo still rules in the City”
TeeJay Says:
April 10th, 2008 at 9:56 pm
“The hit mailers”

Can you please identify these “hit mailers”?

Pauline Harte Says:
April 11th, 2008 at 12:03 pm
Well said, Dave.

These are a couple of the character assassinations in the hit mailer that went out twice…..

Mailed by The Friends of Laurie Ender: “Why is Bob Spierer playing politics with your healthcare?” Nothing behind this character assaination to prove that The Friends of Laurie Ender had a right to ask this, and it clearly tells the readers at Bob Spierer is playing politics with their healthcare, and he was not. So, TeeJay, please tell us (offering proof, of course) how Bob Spierer was “playing politics with our healthcare.”

Another character assassination on the same hit mailer from The Friends of Laurie Ender:
“If he plays politics with your healthcare, he’ll play politics with anything!”

First, they have not even offered documented support for their unproven accusation that Bob Spierer is playing politics with healthcare, then they use this baseless smear to accuse Bob of playing politics “with anything,” and again, that is an unproven accusation, and they offer no substantiated proof that Bob Spierer has played politics with anything. TeeJay, have you proof that Bob Spierer can be justly accused of playing politics with anything? Opinions don’t count here, only documented proof.

TeeJay, you need to relax now and remember that your candidate won, but you will not be able to change the facts and the truth about the hit mailers that did exist smearing Bob Spierer. Enjoy the fact that Laurie won, and move on. Would you like to refute anything that Dave wrote? Oh, that’s right, you didn’t, just asked him to identify the hit mailers, and I did that, there were 2 sent out, the same hit piece the second time, even after all the public outrage. So I guess that’s it. 2 hit mailers went out, and even one was unacceptable.

I believe people wish to move on from this disturbing election mayhem but as an elected representative, Laurie should address all the damage that was caused by her smear mailers.

Laurie claims she likes to solve problems, and I hope that is true. In the SCVTV interview with Leon Worden, Laurie said she went to many neighborhoods and spoke with people, sitting around tables, solving the problems of the world and the community together. Well, “community” is a general term, and I hope that includes us all, not just her supporters, but it seems she should have sat around some tables apologizing for the first hit mailer, instead she sent out another one, compounding the outrage.

admin Says:
April 11th, 2008 at 12:53 pm
Well said Pauline.
Thank you

[And nary a word from TeeJay]

Fact - Laurie Ender smeared Bob spierer Bob Spierer with baseless accusations and resorted to fear-mongering hit mailers to frighten people out of voting for him when his views about the hospital issue were quite clear. The Signal was proven wrong, just as Laurie was, when Bob Spierer discussed the incorrect portrayal of his stand. Yet Laurie Ender sent out a SECOND fear-mongering hit mailer, the exact fear-mongering hit mailer that was proven to be nothing but filthy smears against Bob Spierer. She proved she has no integrity. Beginning and end of her story. Another fact - an EIR is being completed, and until that study is done, it is irresposible to decide how one is going to vote on an issue when all the studies have not been completed. yet we know exactly how Frank Ferry and Laurie Ender are going to vote, they have made that quite clear, proving that it doesn’t matter how much the negative impacts will harm the community of Valencia, they will vote for G&L no matter what. The other candidates said they must wait for the studies to be completed, which is what EVERY candidate should be doing before announcing how they will vote. From David Gauny:

David Gauny on Mar 19th, 2008 at 11:18 am
TeeJay - I don’t really want to get in the middle of this but Bob Spierer was prehaps the most articulate of any of the candidates. After spending nearly a dozen hours in private negotiations with us and the hospital, he is perhaps also the most educated.

Bob’s greatest concerns is the same as ours: The third and final proposed medical office building (MOB3) appears to trigger either eminent domain or a newly proposed TOTAL realignment of McBean Parkway along the hospital frontage. This is a HUGE undertaking.

The G&L team has gone to work on a new EIR and they are proposing studies that will reveal no further mitigation is needed. Our concern is that, typical of such studies, the findings are typically in favor of the purchaser.

In short, Bob’s concern is that he can’t answer until all of those facts are presented which is both a prudent and thoughtful approach to dealing with the issue. On the other hand, Laurie “would give her left arm” to find a parking space on the campus (source: her own website) yet suggests that the hearings are a waste of time and that we should approve it now - but much of the hearings are on this very issue and the G&L team is hiding facts that have taken years to finally come out.

Her other drumbeat of “Centers of Excellence” is based on nothing rhetoric. This was never even mentioned until the council sought a study to determine if the proposed 200K sqft was justified. This new feature, they claimed, would use up 150K of the proposal. But when the contract came out, this number changed to literally ZERO. There is no assurance of any of these services - it is vapor and if you have the time, I’ll gladly prove it to you.

Our group did not endorse Bob Spierer but I respect his approach and his commitment to understanding the issues. MY outrage is focused on the fact that Ender’s fliers take a swipe at him when she’s totally devoid of fact.

[yep]

that’s playing politics with health care

We who opposed the dirty poltics and Ender campaign “fear-mongering” in this election have moved on, we’re happily talking about other stuff here now, yet your anger will not allow you to move on even though your candidate won. On and on and on you go, and it seems impossible for you to be happy about your candidate’s win. Quite baffling. We are discussing other stuff here, and here you are, in stalking mode, foaming at the mouth again, LOL, sliding in at the end of a thread to spew at me when it is videos and other stuff being discussed here. LMAO, it is actually funny that you cannot let go of anger.

The only “fear-mongering” came from Laurie Ender fear-mongering hit mailers that tried to make voters think Bob Spierer was “playing policits ” with this city’s healthcare, then came the fear-mongering lie that he may be playing politics with “anything.” Very hateful kind of dirty politics here, “TeeJay.”

TeeJay, please bring proof that Bob Spierer played politics with anything, including healthcare. And if you cannot provide proof, then I would suggest that you sit back, and try to remember that your candidate won, and move on. For some reason, you do not seem happy about how this election turned out. And you keep singling me out when most here have said nothing differently than I have said, some have been harsher, yet you continually ignore all of the other posters and just single me out. You never refute anything I have said, or anything anyone else has said, with proof that we are wrong. The fear-mongering hit mailers did exist, they were sent out by the Friends of Laurie Ender, and they appeared twice in mailboxes. They DID lie about Bob Spierer, and their intent was to scare people out of voting for him by smearing him with fear-mongering lies.

When people write ABOUT fear-mongering hit mailers that dishonestly smear another candiate with fear-mongering lies, exposing this kind of low-down dirty, fear-mongering politics is not the fear-mongering, “TeeJay.” The fear-mongering was in the lies put in the Laurie Ender fear-mongering hit mailers, in a dishonest attempt to provide voters with incorrenct, fear-mongering lies about Bob Spierer by implying they should be afraid of him. THAT is the hate/fear-mongering, lying about a candidate just to frighten people out of voting for him - based on the baseless accusations and fear-mongering lies of a smear hit mailer.

“TeeJay,” If you can provide documented proof why Bob Spierer would “play politics” with healthcare or “anything,” please show us. If you can’t provide documented proof, then THAT is proof that the only “fear-mongering” came from the Laurie Ender fear-mongering hit mailers when these hit mailers attempted in a very dishonest manner to frighten voters out of voting for Bob Spierer.

I hope you understand the term “fear-mongering” now, “Tee-Jay.”

Smile, be happy, “TeeJay.” Time for you to move on. You are getting nowhere, and you keep the Laurie Ender fear-mongering hit mailers in the news, so to speak.

You should be ashamed and embarassed, but you certainly have no clue about that.

Emphasis on you having no clue.

I Second that for sure.

I want to thank you for kind remarks. I’ve had a lot of fun with those videos. I started doing little videos about a year ago with the Open Space stuff and that was sort of accidental at fist then it caught on.

When we had those fires last year I went out to get a look that night hoping I would get a little movie of some hills burning but soon found myself in the middle of flames, embers, wind and a lot of adrenaline and that made for some fun videos. The Towsley video was my Huell Howser monent for sure! It still makes me laugh when I see it but it is a good view.

You are 100% right about the Lyons off ramp. It drives me up the wall! I’ve been downtown about it 6 times now and is It’s still on my agenda . I’m glad you enjoy the movies. I will be finding more random things to film here and there. Stay tuned, I will be dazzling scv again with more of my random handy work. I’m open for ideas.

You have a great knack for writing and I appreciate that very much. It’s indeed a talent I wish I had. I’m sure as the months proceed on there will be plenty to write about. I look forward to the accountability faze with our new council. I’m sure you will play a part. At this point, a breath of fresh air is what a few people need in here. I hope they get some.

Have a nice weekend to you and your family.

Smile, “Tee Jay,” we are, life moves on. Here is some sound advice for you:

WethepeopleSCV on Apr 10th, 2008 at 10:38 am
What a group this is! Your all great Santa Claritans all. I think a new town council should be formed out of this group of bloggers. Or form the new SCV advisory committee.

It sure is a beautiful day out today. Not a cloud in the sky and a slight breeze if any. Spring, I love it.

With so much behind us now I’m sure grateful for what we do have here, even with our occasional hiccups. It’s time, I’m outside for the rest of the day. Cheers to all of you.

Sterling King

It’s another beautiful day today, “Tee Jay,” enjoy, smile, and be happy. Your candidate won, remember?

FTFY