Not a lot of time to write today, but I thought I’d post some initial thoughts:
- I would say roughly 70% of the 2,000 people there were opposed to what they think is the Democratic health care bill. 30% were in favor of it, a smaller portion spoke positively of the so called “public option”. Liberals should feel good, there were many of us there. Buck McKeon heard us.
- The LaRouchites had made the trip and were inciting the crowd against the Federal Reserve and passing out literature with a picture of Obama with a Hitler mustache
- Health care for illegals, calls for investigations into ACORN, bailout angst, and general fiscal conservative issues really brought the crowd to their feet. They stomped on the bleachers. Must have been frightening to some liberals, but not me
- Lots of elderly people were there
- Several asked what they could do to “kill” the Democrat’s health plan
- No birthers (sigh) but a few references to death panels (one woman: “The insurance companies are the death panels!”)
- Lots of teachers and others employed in education spoke and, like Lynn Vakay of the Signal, derided ‘socialistic’ policies and government run programs
- A 30 year old woman with dual Brit/American citizenship got told to go home to England by a woman sitting next to me when she said she liked the NHS
- Buck McKeon asked “Why the rush, why are we doing it now?” and an elderly man shouted out, “Because people are dying Buck!”
Overall, it wasn’t a very informative meeting. Buck spoke for about 10 minutes before handing over the mic to the crowd. As I predicted, he brought up tort reform and selling insurance across state lines, but he didn’t really make an argument against the public option. He did let everyone speak at length, and many points of view were heard.
But, for the most part, it felt more like a pep rally than an informative town hall meeting, but that was to be expected.
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What happened to the other 50 posts? I only see number 51.
SCVTamaleman,
Understandably, it’s hard for many folks including yourself to realize that the slogans, folklore and pandering recitals that seek to promote religious conservative ideology can anger a true believer in that the actual reality in play doesn’t map to the ideology expectations that appear complete but really aren’t.
As I wrote before, many people don’t associate the ‘increasing demands for public services’ based on the ‘number of people’ making the demands!
This is never discussed . . . thus as our current tax code is structured, the public simply has no recognition that the ‘demand’ issue based on the example (number of kids sent to public school) drives the ‘demand for taxes’.
Simply saying that taxes are ‘too high’ isn’t useful . . . or productive . . . and actually makes matters worse since as you suggested, many public schools are failing but failing due to over demanding the service and telling the public they can send as many kids as they want based on a ‘fixed tax rate’ system.
In any event, nothing will change immediately since most of the public believe as you do . . . but unless they get some idea that that current ‘belief’ system fostered by fiscal conservatives doesn’t address reality, we’ll never get out of the tax pissing contest that is tied to ideology and not reality.
You can still believe what you want but I’m just here to contrast your beliefs with the actual reality going on then we’ll let the other ‘readers’ decide who’s blowing the smoke.
That’s why we have ‘free speech’ . . . let the ‘better ideas’ win . . . we know the current situation isn’t working . . . and trying to make it work ‘harder’ just digs us deeper and deeper into a fiscal hole we’ll never climb out of.
The times they are a changing . . .
Indy: “nothing will change immediately since most of the public believe as you do”
What do I believe Indy? Go through my posts here and cut and paste a single statement where I shared ANY belief.
I believe you’re a whack job, and most the public probably believes as I do, but this is the first time I’ve said that.
So come on Indy, show us where I have spelled out my beliefs; you commented on them, should be easy for you to find. I eagerly await your response.
SCVTamaleman,
Yes, when ever I debate conservatives of your mind set, they quickly start with what I’ve now call the ‘round and round’.
They/you assert that what you’ve been writing really isn’t what you’ve been saying . . . but your remarks speak for themselves.
It’s the old ‘read between the lines’ technique taught to all English students in high school.
And as I noted in the post right before, ‘true believers’ simply can’t fathom that everybody doesn’t think like ‘they/you do’ . . . so off they/you go to the ‘name calling’ . . . formally known as ‘character assassination’.
In any event, if you can’t tell what you’re saying when you’re saying it . . . how do you expect me to do it for you?
Further, if you wish to debate topics of interest, you’ve got to not take it so personal . . . I don’t.
The reality that we all face is there right in front of us . . . and citing ideology that doesn’t map to it doesn’t solve anything.
We’ll never get taxes reduced if the public doesn’t understand their role in the process regardless of their cultural and religious norms.
If you wish to clarify a point you make, please do so . . . but put me into the ‘that isn’t it’ repetition guessing game . . . If I don’t answer a question to your question, give the question again or restate it in ‘other words’. I don’t expect every statement made in a debating forum to be understood perfectly and asking for clarification is fair . . . but name calling because of it is rude . . . but sadly all too common in our partisan political world of late.
That’s going to change as well . . .
You really are ridiculous. You can’t back up a single comment you post here, you’re socially inbred. It’s remarkable.