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	<title>Comments on: Cry Havoc! And let the City Council race begin</title>
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		<title>By: TimBen Boydston</title>
		<link>http://scvtalk.com/2009/09/29/cry-havoc-and-let-the-city-council-race-begin/comment-page-2/#comment-1956</link>
		<dc:creator>TimBen Boydston</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 08 Oct 2009 16:42:33 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Dear SCV Fan,

Calling you a Nazi? It never happened.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Dear SCV Fan,</p>
<p>Calling you a Nazi? It never happened.</p>
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		<title>By: SCVFan</title>
		<link>http://scvtalk.com/2009/09/29/cry-havoc-and-let-the-city-council-race-begin/comment-page-2/#comment-1662</link>
		<dc:creator>SCVFan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 06 Oct 2009 15:56:05 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Thank you for the kind offer.

I have read your &quot;written reactions&quot; but since I was the individual you called a Nazi I will respectfully decline.

Having visited concentration camps in Poland your careless use of words was especially offensive.

I actually used to support your line of questioning and investigation.  However, the behind the scenes viciousness I saw changed my opinion.

Jeff - I especially hope ‘temperament’ and management style is brought up as an issue in this election. 

Leadership skills, integrity and character are equally as important as transparency, accountability to the public and honesty.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thank you for the kind offer.</p>
<p>I have read your &#8220;written reactions&#8221; but since I was the individual you called a Nazi I will respectfully decline.</p>
<p>Having visited concentration camps in Poland your careless use of words was especially offensive.</p>
<p>I actually used to support your line of questioning and investigation.  However, the behind the scenes viciousness I saw changed my opinion.</p>
<p>Jeff &#8211; I especially hope ‘temperament’ and management style is brought up as an issue in this election. </p>
<p>Leadership skills, integrity and character are equally as important as transparency, accountability to the public and honesty.</p>
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		<title>By: TimBen Boydston</title>
		<link>http://scvtalk.com/2009/09/29/cry-havoc-and-let-the-city-council-race-begin/comment-page-2/#comment-1659</link>
		<dc:creator>TimBen Boydston</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 06 Oct 2009 15:39:29 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Dear SCVFAN,

I would love for you to actually get to know me. If you would post your real name and contact info, I would be happy to buy you coffee or lunch. 

With regards to the racist comment, I believe you need to look at my written reaction blasting local racism in the Signal, my public comments on local cable TV, and my body of work in directing shows with anti-racist messages such as &quot;To Kill a Mockingbird&quot;,&quot;Fiddler On the Roof&quot;, &quot;Diary of Anne Frank&quot;, and &quot;The Zoot Suit&quot;.

I look forward to meeting you.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Dear SCVFAN,</p>
<p>I would love for you to actually get to know me. If you would post your real name and contact info, I would be happy to buy you coffee or lunch. </p>
<p>With regards to the racist comment, I believe you need to look at my written reaction blasting local racism in the Signal, my public comments on local cable TV, and my body of work in directing shows with anti-racist messages such as &#8220;To Kill a Mockingbird&#8221;,&#8221;Fiddler On the Roof&#8221;, &#8220;Diary of Anne Frank&#8221;, and &#8220;The Zoot Suit&#8221;.</p>
<p>I look forward to meeting you.</p>
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		<title>By: cash</title>
		<link>http://scvtalk.com/2009/09/29/cry-havoc-and-let-the-city-council-race-begin/comment-page-2/#comment-1438</link>
		<dc:creator>cash</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 04 Oct 2009 05:32:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>SCVFAN

I think you need to grow up. This is not child&#039;s play we are discussing.  It is the future of or City.  What we need is someone that will speak up on an issue and not just band together  to assure that the council can produce a vote of 5 to 0.  Our council is a joke, and it lacks independent judgement and the ability to ask critical questions. The goal is to put on a united front rather than express opposing views.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>SCVFAN</p>
<p>I think you need to grow up. This is not child&#8217;s play we are discussing.  It is the future of or City.  What we need is someone that will speak up on an issue and not just band together  to assure that the council can produce a vote of 5 to 0.  Our council is a joke, and it lacks independent judgement and the ability to ask critical questions. The goal is to put on a united front rather than express opposing views.</p>
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		<title>By: SCVfan</title>
		<link>http://scvtalk.com/2009/09/29/cry-havoc-and-let-the-city-council-race-begin/comment-page-2/#comment-1373</link>
		<dc:creator>SCVfan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 03 Oct 2009 17:27:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Wow Cash. That was quite the leap to an assumption. You are now calling me a passive resident who is ok with status quo based on posts about TImBen and his character?quite rude.

Again - my point repeated is TimBen has questionable character in dealing with people who he believes are beneth him. Resident involvement is absolutely needed but in a respectable manner.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Wow Cash. That was quite the leap to an assumption. You are now calling me a passive resident who is ok with status quo based on posts about TImBen and his character?quite rude.</p>
<p>Again &#8211; my point repeated is TimBen has questionable character in dealing with people who he believes are beneth him. Resident involvement is absolutely needed but in a respectable manner.</p>
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		<title>By: cash</title>
		<link>http://scvtalk.com/2009/09/29/cry-havoc-and-let-the-city-council-race-begin/comment-page-2/#comment-1363</link>
		<dc:creator>cash</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 03 Oct 2009 16:09:34 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>SCVFAN

Seems that you are the kind of individual that is willing to look the other way while the manager and the city council find clever ways to support special interest at the taxpayers expense.  TimBen has asked questions in an open forum that at times has exposed the misdeads of others.  Anyone that follows the workings of the council and the city manager know that their primary interest is in supporting special interests and are not surprised by what TimBen brings to light. But those caught with their pants down really do not like it. I have heard council members say more than once that &quot;we need to resolve matters behind closed doors&quot;; a tactic however, that does not promote trust.   


While handing out our money (or waiving fees)to special interests, they talk like the money they are handing out   belows to the city.  Well the money belongs to the taxpayers.

Undoubtedly members of the GOBN will be working overtime to support the other candidates. 

If nothing else, I hope the campaign will expose the truth about how this city operates. Especially with respect to the influence special interest has on this council.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>SCVFAN</p>
<p>Seems that you are the kind of individual that is willing to look the other way while the manager and the city council find clever ways to support special interest at the taxpayers expense.  TimBen has asked questions in an open forum that at times has exposed the misdeads of others.  Anyone that follows the workings of the council and the city manager know that their primary interest is in supporting special interests and are not surprised by what TimBen brings to light. But those caught with their pants down really do not like it. I have heard council members say more than once that &#8220;we need to resolve matters behind closed doors&#8221;; a tactic however, that does not promote trust.   </p>
<p>While handing out our money (or waiving fees)to special interests, they talk like the money they are handing out   belows to the city.  Well the money belongs to the taxpayers.</p>
<p>Undoubtedly members of the GOBN will be working overtime to support the other candidates. </p>
<p>If nothing else, I hope the campaign will expose the truth about how this city operates. Especially with respect to the influence special interest has on this council.</p>
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		<title>By: SCVfan</title>
		<link>http://scvtalk.com/2009/09/29/cry-havoc-and-let-the-city-council-race-begin/comment-page-2/#comment-1355</link>
		<dc:creator>SCVfan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 03 Oct 2009 15:00:31 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Malcontent can actually be used as an appropiate noun. If people are opposing the established government then they are malcontent. It&#039;s not a slander. I&#039;m not sure how Ferry was using it but there are malcontent people showing up every other Tuesday for sure.

In fact, folks like Plambeck might be the physical definition of malcontent.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Malcontent can actually be used as an appropiate noun. If people are opposing the established government then they are malcontent. It&#8217;s not a slander. I&#8217;m not sure how Ferry was using it but there are malcontent people showing up every other Tuesday for sure.</p>
<p>In fact, folks like Plambeck might be the physical definition of malcontent.</p>
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		<title>By: Jeff</title>
		<link>http://scvtalk.com/2009/09/29/cry-havoc-and-let-the-city-council-race-begin/comment-page-2/#comment-1285</link>
		<dc:creator>Jeff</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 03 Oct 2009 04:54:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Ferry has called people &quot;malcontents&quot; before as a way to dismiss their complaints/concerns. 

As for TimBen&#039;s &#039;antics&#039; this isn&#039;t the first time I&#039;ve heard complaints.

But here&#039;s the thing- governing isn&#039;t always smooth and easy. Governing sometimes involves clashes, clashes between interests and power bases. That&#039;s what it&#039;s there for, to represent the people who don&#039;t always agree. 

If the local media is worth the paper its printed on (or the airways its broadcast on) then &#039;temperament&#039; and management style should be brought up as an issue in this election. 

So hopefully your concerns and others will be aired out.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Ferry has called people &#8220;malcontents&#8221; before as a way to dismiss their complaints/concerns. </p>
<p>As for TimBen&#8217;s &#8216;antics&#8217; this isn&#8217;t the first time I&#8217;ve heard complaints.</p>
<p>But here&#8217;s the thing- governing isn&#8217;t always smooth and easy. Governing sometimes involves clashes, clashes between interests and power bases. That&#8217;s what it&#8217;s there for, to represent the people who don&#8217;t always agree. </p>
<p>If the local media is worth the paper its printed on (or the airways its broadcast on) then &#8216;temperament&#8217; and management style should be brought up as an issue in this election. </p>
<p>So hopefully your concerns and others will be aired out.</p>
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		<title>By: SCVfan</title>
		<link>http://scvtalk.com/2009/09/29/cry-havoc-and-let-the-city-council-race-begin/comment-page-2/#comment-1277</link>
		<dc:creator>SCVfan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 03 Oct 2009 03:49:44 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Questions are excellent. involvement Is needed....I&#039;m saying that his tactics are dirty and he has demonstrated poor judgement. All officials make mistakes and city hall is not flawless. But his antics are distasteful! I have first hand experience with him and it was certainly NOT with the Guild. Ferry is sometimes out of line and says too much but Ferry has never ( to my knowledge) called someone a Nazi if he doesn&#039;t agree with them.  

And Timben was not elected.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Questions are excellent. involvement Is needed&#8230;.I&#8217;m saying that his tactics are dirty and he has demonstrated poor judgement. All officials make mistakes and city hall is not flawless. But his antics are distasteful! I have first hand experience with him and it was certainly NOT with the Guild. Ferry is sometimes out of line and says too much but Ferry has never ( to my knowledge) called someone a Nazi if he doesn&#8217;t agree with them.  </p>
<p>And Timben was not elected.</p>
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		<title>By: cash</title>
		<link>http://scvtalk.com/2009/09/29/cry-havoc-and-let-the-city-council-race-begin/comment-page-2/#comment-1271</link>
		<dc:creator>cash</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 02 Oct 2009 22:54:17 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Who?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Who?</p>
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