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		<title>By: cash</title>
		<link>http://scvtalk.com/2009/11/23/new-courthouse-continued/comment-page-1/#comment-5348</link>
		<dc:creator>cash</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 25 Nov 2009 22:55:57 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>http://www.santa-clarita.com/vgp/_pdf/OVOVCircdraft10-09-08.pdf</description>
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		<title>By: CastaicClay</title>
		<link>http://scvtalk.com/2009/11/23/new-courthouse-continued/comment-page-1/#comment-5326</link>
		<dc:creator>CastaicClay</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 24 Nov 2009 22:53:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I don&#039;t think you can go under the RR Tracks at Lyons. There is  river that goes through there. 
 The tracks could go over a road at 15th St. I know it is not OTN, but it is the best access point to the Casdan (sp?) property which is the real reason for more access to that side of the tracks.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I don&#8217;t think you can go under the RR Tracks at Lyons. There is  river that goes through there.<br />
 The tracks could go over a road at 15th St. I know it is not OTN, but it is the best access point to the Casdan (sp?) property which is the real reason for more access to that side of the tracks.</p>
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		<title>By: navigator</title>
		<link>http://scvtalk.com/2009/11/23/new-courthouse-continued/comment-page-1/#comment-5325</link>
		<dc:creator>navigator</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 24 Nov 2009 22:49:54 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>There is not enough room to fit either a bridge or an underpass at that point. The at-grade option is really the only option. It is also the most dangerous hence the Commission&#039;s hesitance in giving the ok.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>There is not enough room to fit either a bridge or an underpass at that point. The at-grade option is really the only option. It is also the most dangerous hence the Commission&#8217;s hesitance in giving the ok.</p>
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		<title>By: Sam</title>
		<link>http://scvtalk.com/2009/11/23/new-courthouse-continued/comment-page-1/#comment-5322</link>
		<dc:creator>Sam</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 24 Nov 2009 20:15:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>What about a Lyons crossing under the tracks &amp; Railroad Avenue and connecting onto 13th Street?  Similar to State Street in Santa Barbara (the street goes under the 101 but does&#039;t go under the tracks).   A big bridge in Old Town Newhall wouldn&#039;t look &quot;Old Town&quot;.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>What about a Lyons crossing under the tracks &amp; Railroad Avenue and connecting onto 13th Street?  Similar to State Street in Santa Barbara (the street goes under the 101 but does&#8217;t go under the tracks).   A big bridge in Old Town Newhall wouldn&#8217;t look &#8220;Old Town&#8221;.</p>
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		<title>By: navigator</title>
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		<dc:creator>navigator</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 24 Nov 2009 17:55:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>cash, the EIR process still needs to be completed for the crossing. You are correct in assuming the grade will need to start close to the Main/Lyons intersection. The how remains to be seen. There are a few examples in Burbank that&#039;ll give an idea of process. The question still exists as to whether or not the Commission will allow the at grade crossing especially given the fact that it is so close to another.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>cash, the EIR process still needs to be completed for the crossing. You are correct in assuming the grade will need to start close to the Main/Lyons intersection. The how remains to be seen. There are a few examples in Burbank that&#8217;ll give an idea of process. The question still exists as to whether or not the Commission will allow the at grade crossing especially given the fact that it is so close to another.</p>
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		<title>By: mike</title>
		<link>http://scvtalk.com/2009/11/23/new-courthouse-continued/comment-page-1/#comment-5317</link>
		<dc:creator>mike</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 24 Nov 2009 17:46:17 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;m reminded of this engineering marvel from my childhood

http://www.dukesonline.com/PhotoDisplay.aspx?ID=13&amp;ReturnThumbnail=0</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;m reminded of this engineering marvel from my childhood</p>
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		<title>By: cash</title>
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		<dc:creator>cash</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 24 Nov 2009 17:25:40 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Jeff, have you given any thought to how the grade separation at Lyons and the Railroad will affect OTN.  Unless there is an alignment change, to maintain an acceptable grade, the beginning of the approach ramp up to the bridge would almost have to begin in front of the Billy&#039;s store. It seems bridge will take up lots of space.  Just picture moving something like the bridge at Wiley and the railroad to Lyons and the railroad. Seems the city needs to answer this question before it even builds the Library.

Maybe navigator knows the answer.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Jeff, have you given any thought to how the grade separation at Lyons and the Railroad will affect OTN.  Unless there is an alignment change, to maintain an acceptable grade, the beginning of the approach ramp up to the bridge would almost have to begin in front of the Billy&#8217;s store. It seems bridge will take up lots of space.  Just picture moving something like the bridge at Wiley and the railroad to Lyons and the railroad. Seems the city needs to answer this question before it even builds the Library.</p>
<p>Maybe navigator knows the answer.</p>
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		<title>By: cash</title>
		<link>http://scvtalk.com/2009/11/23/new-courthouse-continued/comment-page-1/#comment-5302</link>
		<dc:creator>cash</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 24 Nov 2009 03:27:22 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Just type in your zip code.

http://www.crimereports.com/</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Just type in your zip code.</p>
<p><a href="http://www.crimereports.com/" rel="nofollow">http://www.crimereports.com/</a></p>
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		<title>By: cash</title>
		<link>http://scvtalk.com/2009/11/23/new-courthouse-continued/comment-page-1/#comment-5301</link>
		<dc:creator>cash</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 24 Nov 2009 03:25:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Whateverrrrrr Valley Boy!  So let&#039;s not put kids at risk just to create a sense of place for public gatherings. You are correct people are found killed all over this valley. No place is immune.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Whateverrrrrr Valley Boy!  So let&#8217;s not put kids at risk just to create a sense of place for public gatherings. You are correct people are found killed all over this valley. No place is immune.</p>
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		<title>By: Jeff</title>
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		<dc:creator>Jeff</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 24 Nov 2009 02:38:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Whatever cash. People get shot and killed all over the SCV, including Valencia and Stevenson Ranch.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Whatever cash. People get shot and killed all over the SCV, including Valencia and Stevenson Ranch.</p>
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