Comments on: Melee at Town Center Drive on Thanksgiving Eve http://scvtalk.com/2009/12/01/melee-at-town-center-drive-on-thanksgiving-eve/ your daily dose of SCV news, politics and culture. Published since 2006 Fri, 10 Sep 2010 07:21:44 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=abc By: SCVTalk.com » Blog Archive » Not questioning the Sheriff’s Department, but damn http://scvtalk.com/2009/12/01/melee-at-town-center-drive-on-thanksgiving-eve/#comment-5934 SCVTalk.com » Blog Archive » Not questioning the Sheriff’s Department, but damn Fri, 11 Dec 2009 20:10:35 +0000 http://scvtalk.com/?p=925#comment-5934 [...] you only hear about melees, crime and LASD response through the grapevine, like last month’s Town Center Drive melee. [...] [...] you only hear about melees, crime and LASD response through the grapevine, like last month’s Town Center Drive melee. [...]

]]> By: lvogel http://scvtalk.com/2009/12/01/melee-at-town-center-drive-on-thanksgiving-eve/#comment-5520 lvogel Wed, 02 Dec 2009 22:08:59 +0000 http://scvtalk.com/?p=925#comment-5520 That's a sad statement about our "young men being what they are", Joe. Is fighting each other really a 'past time' for our young people? If this is a 'tradition', surely the Sheriffs know from past experience what will be happening on that eve, right? Is this fighting possibly being allowing in some way? That’s a sad statement about our “young men being what they are”, Joe. Is fighting each other really a ‘past time’ for our young people? If this is a ‘tradition’, surely the Sheriffs know from past experience what will be happening on that eve, right? Is this fighting possibly being allowing in some way?

]]> By: Joe http://scvtalk.com/2009/12/01/melee-at-town-center-drive-on-thanksgiving-eve/#comment-5513 Joe Wed, 02 Dec 2009 17:36:49 +0000 http://scvtalk.com/?p=925#comment-5513 I'm not surprised to hear such a brawl took place in Santa Clarita, especially on that given night. I graduated from Hart in the 90's and these "night before Thanksgiving" get-togethers have been going on at least since back then. In my day, about ten years ago, these big meetings mostly took place around Lyons (Doc's, the bar near Kragen at Lyons and Old Orchard whose name escapes me, etc). It basically boils down to people being home from college getting together with all those who haven't gone away and are still living in town. Among many young males in SCV fighting is a pastime and it gets particularly out of control when people from other parts of town show up (for example, if young guys from Saugus and Canyon Country showed up to Town Center Drive, there'd be problems). I can also remember when the Greens opened and the group I knew back then instantly began fighting there. By that time I had been living out of SCV but I certainly heard all about it. It sounds like the next generation is carrying on this so-called "tradition". These types of fights are probably not unique historically, young men being what they are, and SCV continues to be no exception. I’m not surprised to hear such a brawl took place in Santa Clarita, especially on that given night.

I graduated from Hart in the 90′s and these “night before Thanksgiving” get-togethers have been going on at least since back then. In my day, about ten years ago, these big meetings mostly took place around Lyons (Doc’s, the bar near Kragen at Lyons and Old Orchard whose name escapes me, etc). It basically boils down to people being home from college getting together with all those who haven’t gone away and are still living in town. Among many young males in SCV fighting is a pastime and it gets particularly out of control when people from other parts of town show up (for example, if young guys from Saugus and Canyon Country showed up to Town Center Drive, there’d be problems). I can also remember when the Greens opened and the group I knew back then instantly began fighting there. By that time I had been living out of SCV but I certainly heard all about it.

It sounds like the next generation is carrying on this so-called “tradition”. These types of fights are probably not unique historically, young men being what they are, and SCV continues to be no exception.

]]> By: Jane http://scvtalk.com/2009/12/01/melee-at-town-center-drive-on-thanksgiving-eve/#comment-5496 Jane Wed, 02 Dec 2009 01:00:24 +0000 http://scvtalk.com/?p=925#comment-5496 What do you guys think of the LASD asking for donations? According to the ad I saw, you can now get a neat little license plate frame and sticker that states that you donate to the SCV Sheriff's Station. How are they going to write someone a ticket who has donated $1k to them, sounds a little off the mark. What do you guys think of the LASD asking for donations? According to the ad I saw, you can now get a neat little license plate frame and sticker that states that you donate to the SCV Sheriff’s Station. How are they going to write someone a ticket who has donated $1k to them, sounds a little off the mark.

]]> By: Timothy Myers http://scvtalk.com/2009/12/01/melee-at-town-center-drive-on-thanksgiving-eve/#comment-5484 Timothy Myers Tue, 01 Dec 2009 23:00:32 +0000 http://scvtalk.com/?p=925#comment-5484 lvogel: A PD would have jurisdiction within the municipal limits. The SD would only get involved under some type of mutual aid agreement in an emergency. Jeff: All of these entities are unionized, so is it a bad deal to pay less and have other people deal with the unions? lvogel:

A PD would have jurisdiction within the municipal limits. The SD would only get involved under some type of mutual aid agreement in an emergency.

Jeff:

All of these entities are unionized, so is it a bad deal to pay less and have other people deal with the unions?

]]> By: lvogel http://scvtalk.com/2009/12/01/melee-at-town-center-drive-on-thanksgiving-eve/#comment-5482 lvogel Tue, 01 Dec 2009 22:30:03 +0000 http://scvtalk.com/?p=925#comment-5482 "As Timmy said, these kinds of situations are not good for business."....or for the citizens of the sprawling SCV! “As Timmy said, these kinds of situations are not good for business.”….or for the citizens of the sprawling SCV!

]]> By: cash http://scvtalk.com/2009/12/01/melee-at-town-center-drive-on-thanksgiving-eve/#comment-5481 cash Tue, 01 Dec 2009 22:26:54 +0000 http://scvtalk.com/?p=925#comment-5481 Welcome to the new SCV AKA the SFV sprawl. We may be too business friendly in SCV. As Timmy said, these kinds of situations are not good for business. I would only add, so let's keep them quiet. Item 22 of the 21 point plan! Welcome to the new SCV AKA the SFV sprawl.

We may be too business friendly in SCV. As Timmy said, these kinds of situations are not good for business. I would only add, so let’s keep them quiet. Item 22 of the 21 point plan!

]]> By: lvogel http://scvtalk.com/2009/12/01/melee-at-town-center-drive-on-thanksgiving-eve/#comment-5480 lvogel Tue, 01 Dec 2009 22:21:18 +0000 http://scvtalk.com/?p=925#comment-5480 "’sheriff’ of a country elected?" oops, meant to type COUNTY. “’sheriff’ of a country elected?”

oops, meant to type COUNTY.

]]> By: Jeff http://scvtalk.com/2009/12/01/melee-at-town-center-drive-on-thanksgiving-eve/#comment-5478 Jeff Tue, 01 Dec 2009 22:02:54 +0000 http://scvtalk.com/?p=925#comment-5478 TM, I call BS. The reason the city outsources its police force, its fire force, its bus drivers is very simple: they don't want to deal with labor unions. Period. End of story. "Much less likely with a large, professional force like the LACo Sheriff’s." As if the LASD isn't politicized TM, I call BS.

The reason the city outsources its police force, its fire force, its bus drivers is very simple: they don’t want to deal with labor unions. Period. End of story.

“Much less likely with a large, professional force like the LACo Sheriff’s.”

As if the LASD isn’t politicized

]]> By: lvogel http://scvtalk.com/2009/12/01/melee-at-town-center-drive-on-thanksgiving-eve/#comment-5475 lvogel Tue, 01 Dec 2009 21:42:09 +0000 http://scvtalk.com/?p=925#comment-5475 So it's either/or, not both? Why? Cost? I think that the SCV needs a larger police force. Either way the city will have to pay for it. You indicate that it's about 50% cheaper right now. What I see are crimes in this valley that don't get solved and those are worth spending more money on. You get what you pay for and whatever % the city pays to the LACo Sheriffs right now, I don't feel is helping. Of course that's just my opinion. I still feel they can work together; the sheriffs after all have jurisdiction through out the ENTIRE county, whereas the P.D. only in the city limits. I dont' believe the sheriffs would be limited. BTW, isn't the 'sheriff' of a country elected? I believe that the Police Chief is appointed, if I'm not mistaken. So it’s either/or, not both? Why? Cost? I think that the SCV needs a larger police force. Either way the city will have to pay for it. You indicate that it’s about 50% cheaper right now. What I see are crimes in this valley that don’t get solved and those are worth spending more money on. You get what you pay for and whatever % the city pays to the LACo Sheriffs right now, I don’t feel is helping. Of course that’s just my opinion.

I still feel they can work together; the sheriffs after all have jurisdiction through out the ENTIRE county, whereas the P.D. only in the city limits. I dont’ believe the sheriffs would be limited. BTW, isn’t the ‘sheriff’ of a country elected? I believe that the Police Chief is appointed, if I’m not mistaken.

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