Comments on: More from the Right Wing Fringe of the SCV

By: SCVTalk.com » Blog Archive » In Defense of Frank Ferry

SCVTalk.com » Blog Archive » In Defense of Frank Ferry — Tue, 09 Mar 2010 20:30:03 +0000

[...] conservatives and Christians ought to be outraged when know-nothings like Not a Ferry Fan and Pastor Yancey take a person’s legal status before a human-created government and equate it with their [...]

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By: SCVTalk.com » Blog Archive » George Runner Walks

SCVTalk.com » Blog Archive » George Runner Walks — Sun, 28 Feb 2010 02:35:24 +0000

[...] today’s Save Our State rally, the same preacher that opened the Jan 16 rally was invited back; this time, some of the his remarks caused George Runner to leave. The preacher, [...]

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By: SCVTalk.com » Blog Archive » Michael Gerson is calling you out, SCV Minutemen

Fri, 26 Feb 2010 19:22:38 +0000

[...] We had a pastor -a man of the cloth- in this town tell us illegals were not just lawbreakers but evil the last time this crew [...]

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By: Bill Reynolds

Bill Reynolds — Thu, 21 Jan 2010 01:52:31 +0000

Vtown, interesting that you monitor such news… by the way, I watched a basketball last Saturday before I received this from you.

Get a grip, buddy…

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By: cash

cash — Wed, 20 Jan 2010 23:59:30 +0000

Bob Kellar is correct, not “right”.!

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By: v-town OG

v-town OG — Wed, 20 Jan 2010 23:31:49 +0000

Hey Bill Reynolds, your prayers have been answered. It’s safe to watch basketball again.

http://thinkprogress.org/2010/01/20/white-basketball/

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By: lvogel

lvogel — Wed, 20 Jan 2010 22:22:06 +0000

I agree, that is why I quoted Roosevelt’s statement: “Every immigrant who comes here should be required within five years to learn English or leave the country.”

What I don’t like is the extreme notions/ideas of some that if one does not speak english they are not Americans; only Americans speak english. That’s how it comes off when Kellar, and others, get on the anti-immigration bandwagon.

The plan fact is, that many of the ‘workers’ that were mentioned are cheap labor; labor that many of us will hire and pay for. Many Americans would not work those jobs. The American ‘way’ is to do the best and be the best, but in order to get there you must work hard for it. There are a lot of lazy Americans that wouldn’t work those ‘hard’ jobs they pay nothing, but illegals are willing to in order to live in a country that brings opportunities.

I believe that we agree on this subject on a certain level, I just don’t believe that the illegals bring all the ills to our country. The gentleman that spoke at the rally who’s son was killed by an illegal, would have been just as angry and hurt had he been killed by a ‘fellow citizen’.

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By: Berta González-Harper

Berta González-Harper — Wed, 20 Jan 2010 21:57:49 +0000

And that is exactly the point Ivogel. If you want them to remain gardeners, busboys, etc keep enabling them to speak a language other than English. Higher education and higher paying jobs require English proficiency. There is nothing wrong with being a gardener etc if that is the profession they willingly choose but to limit them to those lower paying jobs because this country does not require English proficiency skills is a disservice to everyone immigrants included.
There are others groups who are traditionally among the impoverished but studies I have read indicate that those people have also suffered due to the huge influx of illegal’s who accept lower wages. Legal immigrants suffer from lack of available employment. They used to fill these lower paying jobs until their education, professional skills, language skills improved to the point they could compete equally for better paying jobs. One of the largest groups kept in poverty is poorly educated blacks who used to fill many of those fast food, housekeeper, janitorial, laborers, etc jobs.
I believe in giving people the opportunity to better themselves not limiting them to just barely getting by. Black, white, whatever. Give a man/woman bread, they eat today. Give them the tools to plant and harvest the wheat and they sustain themselves and their families for years to come. Learn English and you have a better shot at achieving the American dream. Not a guarantee, a better shot.

Money: Do us both a favor and stop reading my posts. Thanks.

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By: lvogel

lvogel — Wed, 20 Jan 2010 20:40:36 +0000

I don’t believe that due to ‘deficient language skills’ we have ghettos and impoverished ‘subcultures’, Berta.

Even if we took every ‘illegal’ busboy, gardner, housecleaner, roofer, bricklayer, etc., who did not speak english, or every illegal PERIOD, we’d still have ghettos and the poor for many reasons. Now perhaps the language problem would hinder those who want to work in say a corporate or government position, but there are plenty jobs that english speaking Americans WONT take and yet are not educated enough for anything else.

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By: Berta González-Harper

Berta González-Harper — Wed, 20 Jan 2010 20:18:48 +0000

Jeff: apparently you did have me pegged wrong. I believe that in order to vote at all people should be required to learn English. To apply for and take a driving exam ditto. And so on…
As I said, why should I have to pay for materials in Spanish, Korean, Urdu, Thai, etc…I already pay for night school and other venues to teach English as a second language which actually benefits immigrants legal or not. We are not helping people when we enable them to remain separate from mainstream American culture. We create ghettos with an impoverished subculture when people cannot function in regular society and compete for good paying jobs because of deficient language skills. Then the taxpayers continue to subsidize these people generation after generation. It is not even fair to them. Think about that Jeff.

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