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- “Underground art is not Thomas Kinkade,” says Nathan Ryan, 22, one of the founders of an SCV art group called “ProxArt.” The group shies away from typical SCV art -think horses, ranches, cowfolk- and will launch an e-magazine this spring. They also have a blog. SIGNAL
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“Underground art is not Thomas Kinkade”
You can say that again. It’s crude, stick figure drawings done by wanna-be hacks.
Fred, you must live in the world’s smallest and thickest bubble.
Re: Kellargate: I read in the LA Times today that Republican reps Michele Bachmann and Marsha Blackburn canceled their appearances at a “tea party” convention fearing (in part) that their appearances might conflict with House ethics rules.
I’m wondering if the codes of ethics for the House are any different than the ones our local government must abide by. It seems to me that they’d be the same.
Funny, that politicians are becoming afraid to be envolved in politics.
As for the art, I don’t much care for Kinkade (aka hotel room art). We have a lot of local artists here in Santa Clarita (Santaclaritaartists.org) and Leona Valley (www.lakesandvalleysartguild.com), not to mention the Third Thursday art walk in Newhall. People looking for art should check these artists out instead of buying Kinkade prints that cost 3x the price.
Fred, you must live in the world’s smallest and thickest bubble.
No. I happen to like real art.
I went to the blog and all I see are hack drawings like something from jr. high. Am I missing something? Or are progressives satisfied with lame mediocrity?
“Real” art has been about the ideas ever since Duchamp came along. Ideas first, aesthetic later. The masters’ style is kitsch now. Contemporary art is neither “Proxart” nor Kinkade.
Fred may not know much about art, but he knows what he likes, and I am guessing he likes Dogs Playing Poker!
“and I am guessing he likes Dogs Playing Poker!”
And your point is???? I’ll bet you don’t even appreciate an Elvis oil on black velvet. TM, don’t tell me that you’re one of those people who think the crap that Salvadore Dali paints is art.
Fred, those are called comic strips.
I’m such a rube, I guess. Of course, Rockwell presented “ideas” in every one of his paintings for the Saturday Evening Post. I take it he was probably a bit too consumed with the details of the aesthetics. I am sure if he had done it with crudely drawn cartoon figures it would have conveyed the same idea.
Fred, those are called comic strips.
Okay, so where’s the art, then?
I wonder if David Gauny(SCV Smart Growth)would offer us some clarification on the hospital issue?
Is it so G&L would be able (financially) to build one phase of the project at a time?
Isn’t that what they have now?
At least Wilk wrote an original piece. Did he mention somewhere in the article that he is heavily involved in at least one of the incumbent’s campaign. I must have missed that part.
His original work, even if it has errors, is in contrast to the slickly written article by our Mayor. In fact I think all of the incumbents write slickly written articles and those are portrayed as their own original work. Funny thing, the ‘voice’ of all of the articles whether written by Mayor Weste, or last week’s column written by Councilmember Kellar, or previously written articles by Frank Ferry or Marsha McLean have this uncanny similarity. I see some differences in Councilmember Ender’s work, and I would guess that she does her own. As for the others, it’s almost like it’s the same hand at work.
The Mighty Signal would never admit was is common knowledge, that these articles are written by a staff member, would they? That would conflict with their very public flogging of two of the more outspoken advocates on local issues, Lynn Vakay and Carol Lutness. Given that both would likely have some good observations on the local political scene, why did they have to go when it is completely obvious that the incumbents get away with what can only be called plagerism, that is, putting ones name on another person’s work without attribution.
Why the double standard?
Rocky
Great observation about the staff writing for the council. I have thought the same thing for a longtime but when Mayor Weste writes about the ePlan that pretty obvious.
Wilk, or the Signal on his behalf, should disclose any professional relationship with any of the candidates mentioned or any entities looking to make independent expenditures in this race.
That said, it was a great piece. Of course there’s plenty to disagree with, but his political analysis is always sharp. As contrasted with others on the right, he predicted a significant Obama victory very early on in 2008, IIRC.
Fred is to Art what John Edwards is to marriage.
Does Obama, or any other President for that matter, disclose that one of their aides wrote their scripted speech? Writing is what they are hired for.
Navigator name a president that didn’t have a speech writer…
Fred:
I am more of a Matador on Black Velvet man myself!
Does Obama, or any other President for that matter, disclose that one of their aides wrote their scripted speech? Writing is what they are hired for.
City staff aren’t “aides” to the Council people. They’re professionals in their own right, civil servants, not political appointees or speech writers.
Navigator name a president that didn’t have a speech writer…
Abraham Lincoln ?
Yea that last president not to use a speechwriter… that was what 140 years ago?
Good questions this morning.
Vince Hans: On the Code of Ethics, I don’t know what the House rules actually say but they most likely have some disclaimer proviso (I speak for myself…) so simply cancelling by these politicians is kind of chicken.
Rocky: I think these are different issues. Plagiarism vs. drafting a speech or position for the intended speaker’s approval.
Many people have speech writers etc which they do not credit, President Obama for instance or Oscar Awards presenters. Someone drafts the comments based upon their knowledge of the facts and the person delivering the speech or article. The intended presenter edits, makes changes, personalizes, or accepts as is, etc according to their wishes and then presents to the public. All involved are aware of who is doing what.
In my opinion, very different from plagiarism where the true authors work, usually without permission, is fraudulently presented as someone else’s.
hey, thanks for letting us know the deal.
Let’s do a test:
I’ll go get some fresh dog poo and sculpt some little figures of the Obamas and dress them up in Ken and Barbie clothes.
We’ll see if the Cal Arts crowd will welcome it as a creative, way to express what I think of the president’s policies and be lauded as an artistic genius on the level of that Mapplethorpe perv, or if I will be scolded by the cultural elite as being a racist.
Ha!
You really want a CalArts/Master’s College throw down?
It must be tough for you Fred, having so much Bob Jones University envy and having to deal with such a liberal arts college just a few miles away.
What a fool! Ever see a little movie called Toy Story? Ratatouille? Finding Nemo?
How do you think the CalArts crowd would react if I dress my figures like the pope?
I bet I would be offered a scholarship.
Mike: what does Toy Story and Finding Nemo have to do with anything? Especially with the hack drawings on that blog?
I’m not sure I understand why Fred is getting slammed here for his opinion. Art is enjoyed by the viewer. Fred obviously was not impressed and frankly neither was I. It is funny that the crowd here feels like they should support this style, when the writer of the article was besmirching Kinkade for the sheep that he attracts.
Where’s the problem? As for art being about ‘ideas,’ I just have to laugh. Art in the form of ‘ideas’ is simply commentary. Art as an expression of beauty (eg. Monet’s water lilies) is less about ideas as it is simply beautiful to look at.
Buy what you like and stop being a follower. Sheesh
Sorry Fred, Andres Serrano already beat you there with Piss Christ. You’d just be seen as a wannabe.
Master’s College kids come to CalArts and host bible studies because we’re all a bunch of heathens.
Actually, with Monet, the art was about the idea, capturing the light conditions as quickly as possible. The aesthetic was merely a by-product of the speed at which he worked.
Blazing, you made my point. If other elected folk can have speech writers why can’t our council. Our PR maven was hired to do PR and that’s what she does. It could possibly include letters from the councilmembers.
Monet is my favorite painter. I can’t afford his originals so I buy Marti Bell’s. Kincade is way too commercialized but his work (and that of the painters who finish his work) is beautiful.
Fred his contempt for anything slightly out of his comfort zone, to the left and to the right. The KJV-only’ers aren’t spared any more than the rest of us.
ND:
tweet, tweet
-mike
Just come to a meeting, no obligation, just a small deposit, totally refundable, but bring some friends, maybe a relative or two so we can sign up up for the big conference, you’ll love it, you can pick up your distributor package there, that is, if you’re OK with becoming a millionaire.
I’ve been working on a Thomas Kinkade jigsaw puzzle and I got to tell you it’s tough! I wouldn’t buy any of his ‘art work’ however, it’s too commercial for my taste.
Fred for you talk about Art with any sort of authority shows how little you know about Art. All Art is arbitrary and abstract. Art is expression of thoughts and emotions, if that is done with stick figures or an elaborate oil painting. Doesn’t really matter, just because some art is more appreciated then others doesn’t make it MORE ART like.
I know Nate and Proxart and I can tell you they are legit and a GREAT thing to have in Santa Clarita. BTW there are some Master’s grad on the Proxart team.
Navigator –
If the council people needs to make a formal speech I am sure they can hire a speech writer. Most writers have an editor doesn’t mean that the material still isn’t theirs. Officials also have people that Ghostwrite for them that is also ethical everyone does it. I am really not sure what your point is…
Nobody is commenting on the double standard at the Signal? These pieces on the Opinion page are presented like these City Councilmembers are the authors. IMO, both Vakay and Lutness should get a wrist slap of a month off, and be welcomed back. After all, who’s left? Just Meyers and Horton, and that crazy guy from the desert.
BGH, with all due respect, I don’t think comparing the President’s speechwriters with City Councilmember’s unattributed column on the Opinion page of the local paper is apt.
Oh, and Mr. Meyers, no disrespect intended.
But most of the CC’s present these things like it is their own work. Outside of the local politicos (and you know who you are!)), the regular folks think they are authored by our representatives.
I’m just sayin’, the high and Mighty Signal should not have a double standard… one for City Councilmembers and another for the people.
Vakay and Lutness committed writer’s fraud… that shows they are worthless as opinion writers because they unable to come up with their own opinion.
You may thin Plagiarism is no big deal but… it has ruined many careers and ended Joe Biden’s bid at the presidency in 1988.
I can also tell you that the signal is planning on moving columns written by people in office to another place out of the opinion writers. This was brought up at the columnist earlier this month.
All art is arbitrary and abstract?
Uh…what? Contemporary art is not really abstract at all. It seeks to accomplish certain goals and explore theoretical, critical, and political ideas.
Nope all art even the mona lisa is an abstraction. Some art is more naturalistic like the Mona Lisa and some art isn’t say like Picasso or Van Gogh
You are correct… All Art modern or not has a purpose isn’t created in a vacuum
I gotta tell you that the Mona Lisa was rather dissapointing for me. I really don’t see what the ‘hoopla’ is all about. The Venus de Milo was much more impressive.
Now, if they can somehow prove the ‘theory’ that it’s actually a self portrait of Da Vinci, then I would find the piece much more intriguing.
Hello,
My names Nate. With Proxart. I love all of your opinions. They’re great. However, I’d really appreciate some patience as we try to bring out the good art that this city has to offer. It’s here. It’s just going to take time to sift through.
We know we’re not the artistic authority here, but that’s no reason to stop trying.
If you’ve got an idea, feel free to email me: nate@proxart.org. I’m not scared of your thoughts or criticism. In fact, I’d rather hear them firsthand than have you post them on some blog somewhere.
We want to help you all create some culture here. So let’s do this.
Thanks,
N.
p.s. The above comment wasn’t meant to be defensive. It was completely civil. I’d definitely love to hear any thoughts/ideas/critiques. Our ears are open and we want to make this the best we can. Cheers!
“I gotta tell you that the Mona Lisa was rather dissapointing for me. I really don’t see what the ‘hoopla’ is all about. The Venus de Milo was much more impressive”
See… I have heard people say they weren’t impressed with the Beatles. All Art is subject personal opinion.
Nate don’t worry about Fred he is a hater…