Comments on: “Santa Clarita is Not Tecate”: Is Illegal Immigration an Issue for the City Council? http://scvtalk.com/2010/02/01/santa-clarita-is-not-tecate-is-illegal-immigration-an-issue-for-the-city-council/ your daily dose of SCV news, politics and culture. Published since 2006 Thu, 29 Jul 2010 20:04:57 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=abc By: SCVTalk.com » Blog Archive » Activity Without Accomplishment: Illegal Immigration as a City Council Issue http://scvtalk.com/2010/02/01/santa-clarita-is-not-tecate-is-illegal-immigration-an-issue-for-the-city-council/#comment-8991 SCVTalk.com » Blog Archive » Activity Without Accomplishment: Illegal Immigration as a City Council Issue Mon, 08 Feb 2010 05:59:44 +0000 http://scvtalk.com/?p=1808#comment-8991 [...] a recent SCVTalk post (“Santa Clarita is Not Tecate“, Feb 1), a series of questions was posed to the SCVTalk community regarding the [...] [...] a recent SCVTalk post (“Santa Clarita is Not Tecate“, Feb 1), a series of questions was posed to the SCVTalk community regarding the [...]

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]]> By: SCV Guy http://scvtalk.com/2010/02/01/santa-clarita-is-not-tecate-is-illegal-immigration-an-issue-for-the-city-council/#comment-8891 SCV Guy Sat, 06 Feb 2010 00:10:37 +0000 http://scvtalk.com/?p=1808#comment-8891 The guys with the signs were not even from this town. Hired troublemakers is all they are from a left wing group of nut jobs who think we shouldn't have no borders. Well, as soon as Mexico (or any other nation) gives US citizen's the same rights these people that they want us to give to THEIR illegals, we'll start talking. Until then, close the boarders, deport all illegals and honor those that do it the right way. To set the record straight. The other four council members are the ones in the wrong. All four of them dodged the question on where do they stand and made statements like, "our hands are tied" reiterating what the City's Attorney stated at the Council meeting that night. -- ALL BS! The Federal law does allow state, county and local gov'ts to act on behalf of the federal gov't in identifying, reporting and even assisting in the capture and conviction of illegal immigrants. YOUR CITY COUNCIL PLAYED IT SAFE. THEY PLAYED THE POLITICS CARD TO STAY OUT OF DEBATE AND KEEP THE MINORITY VOTE. I stand my ground: NO INCUMBENT FOR RE ELECTION THIS YEAR!! The guys with the signs were not even from this town. Hired troublemakers is all they are from a left wing group of nut jobs who think we shouldn’t have no borders.

Well, as soon as Mexico (or any other nation) gives US citizen’s the same rights these people that they want us to give to THEIR illegals, we’ll start talking.

Until then, close the boarders, deport all illegals and honor those that do it the right way.

To set the record straight. The other four council members are the ones in the wrong. All four of them dodged the question on where do they stand and made statements like, “our hands are tied” reiterating what the City’s Attorney stated at the Council meeting that night. — ALL BS!

The Federal law does allow state, county and local gov’ts to act on behalf of the federal gov’t in identifying, reporting and even assisting in the capture and conviction of illegal immigrants.

YOUR CITY COUNCIL PLAYED IT SAFE. THEY PLAYED THE POLITICS CARD TO STAY OUT OF DEBATE AND KEEP THE MINORITY VOTE.

I stand my ground: NO INCUMBENT FOR RE ELECTION THIS YEAR!!

]]> By: Berta González-Harper http://scvtalk.com/2010/02/01/santa-clarita-is-not-tecate-is-illegal-immigration-an-issue-for-the-city-council/#comment-8698 Berta González-Harper Thu, 04 Feb 2010 02:14:13 +0000 http://scvtalk.com/?p=1808#comment-8698 Hire and train more Border Patrol Agents and INS agents which helps with the unemployment problem too. Also, hire and train more people to process and approve visa and other guest type applications to speed up reentry for those meeting all requirements. Throw out prohibitions against asking for documents when any police agents are routinely performing their job. If they stop you for speeding for instance, you should produce a CA DL or other legitimate ID to prove you are in the country legally. If you are arrested for DUI or domestic violence, same. If you cannot provide proper documents, you should be detained and processed by INS. If you are determined to be here without permission, you are deported within a few days. No California Driver License’s for illegals. Helps employ people here legally, helps trim government subsidy expenditures, helps repatriate those here illegally, and helps the American taxpayer stop feeling screwed. Hire and train more Border Patrol Agents and INS agents which helps with the unemployment problem too. Also, hire and train more people to process and approve visa and other guest type applications to speed up reentry for those meeting all requirements. Throw out prohibitions against asking for documents when any police agents are routinely performing their job. If they stop you for speeding for instance, you should produce a CA DL or other legitimate ID to prove you are in the country legally. If you are arrested for DUI or domestic violence, same. If you cannot provide proper documents, you should be detained and processed by INS. If you are determined to be here without permission, you are deported within a few days. No California Driver License’s for illegals. Helps employ people here legally, helps trim government subsidy expenditures, helps repatriate those here illegally, and helps the American taxpayer stop feeling screwed.

]]> By: NickelDime http://scvtalk.com/2010/02/01/santa-clarita-is-not-tecate-is-illegal-immigration-an-issue-for-the-city-council/#comment-8622 NickelDime Wed, 03 Feb 2010 17:37:29 +0000 http://scvtalk.com/?p=1808#comment-8622 OK, Berta - so who is in a position to enact this Great Roundup? OK, Berta – so who is in a position to enact this Great Roundup?

]]> By: Berta González-Harper http://scvtalk.com/2010/02/01/santa-clarita-is-not-tecate-is-illegal-immigration-an-issue-for-the-city-council/#comment-8566 Berta González-Harper Tue, 02 Feb 2010 20:34:49 +0000 http://scvtalk.com/?p=1808#comment-8566 Timothy Meyers says: "Where I come from if you step to people about their religion (ANY RELIGION) this is one militant Lutheran who is not going to take it lying down." Tim, here we are in complete agreement. I was raised a Catholic and even considered becoming a nun. Can you imagine me taking a vow of silence? I know some of you wish I had. Too bad. I no longer participate but agree with you that I will stand up to anyone who exhibits religious intolerance. Human beings are gifted with free will and have every right to practice their faith or no faith as they see fit. God, or not, is a very personal belief system. However, that said, I have no sympathy for church clerics who flaunt the law as Cardinal Roger Mahoney is doing. The church can sponsor for legal entry whomever they choose. He is not doing that. By offering Sanctuary, he is breaking the law. You are either a church (non-profit) or a business (while making political statements). One avoids paying huge sums in taxes. The other would be required to pay its fair share, which would probably put a dent in our state’s economic woes. Cardinal Mahoney does not get to have it both ways. Timothy Meyers says: “Where I come from if you step to people about their religion (ANY RELIGION) this is one militant Lutheran who is not going to take it lying down.”
Tim, here we are in complete agreement. I was raised a Catholic and even considered becoming a nun. Can you imagine me taking a vow of silence? I know some of you wish I had. Too bad. I no longer participate but agree with you that I will stand up to anyone who exhibits religious intolerance. Human beings are gifted with free will and have every right to practice their faith or no faith as they see fit. God, or not, is a very personal belief system.
However, that said, I have no sympathy for church clerics who flaunt the law as Cardinal Roger Mahoney is doing. The church can sponsor for legal entry whomever they choose. He is not doing that.
By offering Sanctuary, he is breaking the law. You are either a church (non-profit) or a business (while making political statements). One avoids paying huge sums in taxes. The other would be required to pay its fair share, which would probably put a dent in our state’s economic woes. Cardinal Mahoney does not get to have it both ways.

]]> By: Berta González-Harper http://scvtalk.com/2010/02/01/santa-clarita-is-not-tecate-is-illegal-immigration-an-issue-for-the-city-council/#comment-8563 Berta González-Harper Tue, 02 Feb 2010 20:16:53 +0000 http://scvtalk.com/?p=1808#comment-8563 ND: as mentioned in my previous post above already read it. Agree with some comments, not with others. Close the borders to anyone attempting to enter without permission. Continue by heavily fining and sanctioning the greedy employers and incarcerating the heartless traffickers. Without jobs, many here illegally will voluntarily leave as witnessed by our current economic downturn. Next criminals, deport posthaste. Next, those that do not have legal permission to be in this country that are collecting any government subsidies. Next, those decent, otherwise law abiding, hardworking people, including those with US born children. Fast track reentry to those meeting all requirements in my last category. The rest can stay gone no matter where they are from originally! ND: as mentioned in my previous post above already read it. Agree with some comments, not with others.
Close the borders to anyone attempting to enter without permission. Continue by heavily fining and sanctioning the greedy employers and incarcerating the heartless traffickers. Without jobs, many here illegally will voluntarily leave as witnessed by our current economic downturn. Next criminals, deport posthaste. Next, those that do not have legal permission to be in this country that are collecting any government subsidies. Next, those decent, otherwise law abiding, hardworking people, including those with US born children. Fast track reentry to those meeting all requirements in my last category. The rest can stay gone no matter where they are from originally!

]]> By: NickelDime http://scvtalk.com/2010/02/01/santa-clarita-is-not-tecate-is-illegal-immigration-an-issue-for-the-city-council/#comment-8560 NickelDime Tue, 02 Feb 2010 20:00:46 +0000 http://scvtalk.com/?p=1808#comment-8560 BGH: "Rounding them up" is a non-starter and isn't going to happen. Besides the fact that it won't happen, it shouldn't happen as it is inhumane and would be an international embarrassment. Imagine the documentaries, intimately showing the big bad boot of Uncle Sam stomping on the plight of the least among us. There would be heart-wrenching stories, stories that might even convince you that the action, while "ideal" in minds like yours, was not the right thing to do and had terrible unintended consequences. Since I know you already wrote your response to the above in your mind, <a href="http://www.the-signal.com/news/article/24079/" rel="nofollow">read this</a> as my response to your response. ;-) BGH:

“Rounding them up” is a non-starter and isn’t going to happen. Besides the fact that it won’t happen, it shouldn’t happen as it is inhumane and would be an international embarrassment. Imagine the documentaries, intimately showing the big bad boot of Uncle Sam stomping on the plight of the least among us. There would be heart-wrenching stories, stories that might even convince you that the action, while “ideal” in minds like yours, was not the right thing to do and had terrible unintended consequences.

Since I know you already wrote your response to the above in your mind, read this as my response to your response. ;-)

]]> By: Berta González-Harper http://scvtalk.com/2010/02/01/santa-clarita-is-not-tecate-is-illegal-immigration-an-issue-for-the-city-council/#comment-8558 Berta González-Harper Tue, 02 Feb 2010 19:30:18 +0000 http://scvtalk.com/?p=1808#comment-8558 ND: I disagree with your stance on amnesty. Yes, you deport them. The United States of America has every right to deport the parents here illegally and they have the choice to either take their offspring with them or leave them behind. Most will take their children with them. Those left behind can stay with relatives here legally or go into foster care until their parents are approved for reentry. The taxpayer is already supporting many of them and their parents anyway. If nothing else, deportation will send an impossible to ignore message that our national sovereignty and immigration laws cannot be ignored without serious consequences. Send the receiving countries a bill for repatriation that will get their attention. It is time we firmly send the message to all foreign governments ignore our laws at your own peril. The parents made the conscious choice to ignore the law and take their chances being caught without proper entry documents. Once repatriated, they may apply for legal entry, probably will move up the line if their children were born on US soil, and once approved enter the US legally. Amnesty does not work and only encourages more of the same. An expanded visa program and requiring at least minimum wage for the jobs illegals currently perform will help fill many of those so-called jobs Americans will not do. Expanding the work requirements for those able-bodied legal residents currently collecting public assistance will also go a long way towards making sure there are enough workers to do the work. Before there were so many illegals, newly arrived legal immigrants and those with less education filled those jobs. They worked hard, learned English, and bettered their economic circumstances. You cannot convince me otherwise since my immigrant parents did just that so that their children would have a better life and enjoy the many benefits of living in this great country. We need to secure our borders, deport those here without permission to be here, hire American workers to speed up the vetting and approval process, control the amount of visas, etc to a reasonable amount per year, and allow entry to those meeting the criteria already in existence for legal immigration. We need to stop spending taxpayer money to subsidize greedy employers by providing illegals with what they do not get from employers because they are here illegally. We need to severely punish human traffickers like those who were recently holding illegals for ransom in a Reseda house. We need to place heavy fines and sanctions against those persons hiring anyone from anywhere who does not have the proper documents to work in this country. ND: I disagree with your stance on amnesty. Yes, you deport them.
The United States of America has every right to deport the parents here illegally and they have the choice to either take their offspring with them or leave them behind. Most will take their children with them. Those left behind can stay with relatives here legally or go into foster care until their parents are approved for reentry. The taxpayer is already supporting many of them and their parents anyway. If nothing else, deportation will send an impossible to ignore message that our national sovereignty and immigration laws cannot be ignored without serious consequences. Send the receiving countries a bill for repatriation that will get their attention. It is time we firmly send the message to all foreign governments ignore our laws at your own peril.
The parents made the conscious choice to ignore the law and take their chances being caught without proper entry documents. Once repatriated, they may apply for legal entry, probably will move up the line if their children were born on US soil, and once approved enter the US legally. Amnesty does not work and only encourages more of the same. An expanded visa program and requiring at least minimum wage for the jobs illegals currently perform will help fill many of those so-called jobs Americans will not do. Expanding the work requirements for those able-bodied legal residents currently collecting public assistance will also go a long way towards making sure there are enough workers to do the work. Before there were so many illegals, newly arrived legal immigrants and those with less education filled those jobs. They worked hard, learned English, and bettered their economic circumstances. You cannot convince me otherwise since my immigrant parents did just that so that their children would have a better life and enjoy the many benefits of living in this great country.
We need to secure our borders, deport those here without permission to be here, hire American workers to speed up the vetting and approval process, control the amount of visas, etc to a reasonable amount per year, and allow entry to those meeting the criteria already in existence for legal immigration. We need to stop spending taxpayer money to subsidize greedy employers by providing illegals with what they do not get from employers because they are here illegally. We need to severely punish human traffickers like those who were recently holding illegals for ransom in a Reseda house. We need to place heavy fines and sanctions against those persons hiring anyone from anywhere who does not have the proper documents to work in this country.

]]> By: Berta González-Harper http://scvtalk.com/2010/02/01/santa-clarita-is-not-tecate-is-illegal-immigration-an-issue-for-the-city-council/#comment-8557 Berta González-Harper Tue, 02 Feb 2010 19:27:24 +0000 http://scvtalk.com/?p=1808#comment-8557 CC: I totally agree with your comments above. I also agree with Mr. Ippolito’s comments regarding those who employ illegals. CC: I totally agree with your comments above.

I also agree with Mr. Ippolito’s comments regarding those who employ illegals.

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