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	<title>Comments on: Activity Without Accomplishment: Illegal Immigration as a City Council Issue</title>
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		<title>By: SCVTalk.com &#187; Blog Archive &#187; February 9, 2010 &#8211; Daily Brief</title>
		<link>http://scvtalk.com/2010/02/07/activity-without-accomplishment/comment-page-1/#comment-9057</link>
		<dc:creator>SCVTalk.com &#187; Blog Archive &#187; February 9, 2010 &#8211; Daily Brief</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 09 Feb 2010 15:19:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] SCVTalk readers confront/cheer David Gauny&#8217;s stand on illegal immigration in this weekend post. Gauny says that the idea that he&#8217;s using illegal immigration as a wedge issue is laughable SCVTALK [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] SCVTalk readers confront/cheer David Gauny&#8217;s stand on illegal immigration in this weekend post. Gauny says that the idea that he&#8217;s using illegal immigration as a wedge issue is laughable SCVTALK [...]</p>
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		<title>By: mike</title>
		<link>http://scvtalk.com/2010/02/07/activity-without-accomplishment/comment-page-1/#comment-9041</link>
		<dc:creator>mike</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 09 Feb 2010 01:19:40 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Dave,

Glad to see that you will be moving on to more important things with this campaign, that you won&#039;t be stoking this distraction any further.  I&#039;m glad that you&#039;re such a rational and fair minded guy that would never share a stage with deranged racists. Right?

Right?

See you in a few of weeks.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Dave,</p>
<p>Glad to see that you will be moving on to more important things with this campaign, that you won&#8217;t be stoking this distraction any further.  I&#8217;m glad that you&#8217;re such a rational and fair minded guy that would never share a stage with deranged racists. Right?</p>
<p>Right?</p>
<p>See you in a few of weeks.</p>
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		<title>By: SCV Guy</title>
		<link>http://scvtalk.com/2010/02/07/activity-without-accomplishment/comment-page-1/#comment-9032</link>
		<dc:creator>SCV Guy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 08 Feb 2010 23:54:45 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I don&#039;t think anyone is looking to our City Gov&#039;t to provide Amnesty or the cost of enforcement of illegal immigrants.  Just putting it on the agenda and opening it up for discussion would be nice. But they wont even do that.

@Nickel: You took Spine&#039;s post way out to left field ....</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I don&#8217;t think anyone is looking to our City Gov&#8217;t to provide Amnesty or the cost of enforcement of illegal immigrants.  Just putting it on the agenda and opening it up for discussion would be nice. But they wont even do that.</p>
<p>@Nickel: You took Spine&#8217;s post way out to left field &#8230;.</p>
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		<title>By: Spineflower2</title>
		<link>http://scvtalk.com/2010/02/07/activity-without-accomplishment/comment-page-1/#comment-9026</link>
		<dc:creator>Spineflower2</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 08 Feb 2010 22:22:36 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Einstein&#039;s definition of insanity is &quot;doing the same thing and expecting different results.&quot;

So I am waiting to hear &quot;the new HOW.&quot;

Like in the halftime show... &quot;Meet the new boss... same as the old boss.&quot;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Einstein&#8217;s definition of insanity is &#8220;doing the same thing and expecting different results.&#8221;</p>
<p>So I am waiting to hear &#8220;the new HOW.&#8221;</p>
<p>Like in the halftime show&#8230; &#8220;Meet the new boss&#8230; same as the old boss.&#8221;</p>
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		<title>By: Linda Brown</title>
		<link>http://scvtalk.com/2010/02/07/activity-without-accomplishment/comment-page-1/#comment-9025</link>
		<dc:creator>Linda Brown</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 08 Feb 2010 22:18:18 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>David,

Thank you for taking the time to reply back to me. While you bring up good points regarding the funds spent for healthcare, school, and welfare; I guess it just doesnt irritate me that much. 

What irritates me are others that think the City should spend every dollar possible to fight off illegal immigration. While I acknowledge your comment that some funds are being spent now that benefit illegal immigration, I just don&#039;t see the extra expenditures to justify a small segment of the population that the City estimates is 7,000. 

David, I know this is going off on a tangent but to me its exactly the same thing if someone said the City needs to close its borders to keep people who live in the unincorporated areas from using the City&#039;s park and recreational programs or other city facilities.

I really dont see illegal immigration as a local issue. While people are entitled to their own opinion and I&#039;m not trying to change it, I think it would be best for the people who felt strongly about illegal immigration take it to the appropriate forum (i.e., federal government).</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>David,</p>
<p>Thank you for taking the time to reply back to me. While you bring up good points regarding the funds spent for healthcare, school, and welfare; I guess it just doesnt irritate me that much. </p>
<p>What irritates me are others that think the City should spend every dollar possible to fight off illegal immigration. While I acknowledge your comment that some funds are being spent now that benefit illegal immigration, I just don&#8217;t see the extra expenditures to justify a small segment of the population that the City estimates is 7,000. </p>
<p>David, I know this is going off on a tangent but to me its exactly the same thing if someone said the City needs to close its borders to keep people who live in the unincorporated areas from using the City&#8217;s park and recreational programs or other city facilities.</p>
<p>I really dont see illegal immigration as a local issue. While people are entitled to their own opinion and I&#8217;m not trying to change it, I think it would be best for the people who felt strongly about illegal immigration take it to the appropriate forum (i.e., federal government).</p>
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		<title>By: Spineflower2</title>
		<link>http://scvtalk.com/2010/02/07/activity-without-accomplishment/comment-page-1/#comment-9020</link>
		<dc:creator>Spineflower2</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 08 Feb 2010 20:22:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>For those advocating amnesty (i.e., those with a short or selective memory):

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Immigration_Reform_and_Control_Act_of_1986

Ask yourself if the problem was &quot;solved&quot; in 1986.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>For those advocating amnesty (i.e., those with a short or selective memory):</p>
<p><a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Immigration_Reform_and_Control_Act_of_1986" rel="nofollow">http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Immigration_Reform_and_Control_Act_of_1986</a></p>
<p>Ask yourself if the problem was &#8220;solved&#8221; in 1986.</p>
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		<title>By: David Gauny</title>
		<link>http://scvtalk.com/2010/02/07/activity-without-accomplishment/comment-page-1/#comment-9019</link>
		<dc:creator>David Gauny</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 08 Feb 2010 20:11:26 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;i&gt;Linda Brown says:  “I rather have our City spend money on improving local transportation infrastructure, building and maintaining parks, and police that protect our city from actual crime like robberies. This is what I want my sales and local property taxes to pay for.”&lt;/i&gt;

I understand your position but it&#039;s worth reminding that $1.5 Billion (with a “B”) of our property taxes are being spent directly on school, healthcare, and welfare to pay for illegal immigration; this in LA County alone.  RE: your desire to fight crime, talk to a Sherriff about the impact of SoCal gang’s and the roots that many have in illegal immigration.  Our city did not approve the recommended gang task force in the last budget and that is becoming a problem in our city.

That said, let me clarify my stance on illegal immigration and hopefully save your vote: I think we should put it on the agenda.  90% of the problem here could be solved if we simply allowed our people to speak to the issue, share ideas, and be heard.

I have not advocated spending money in enforcement but I do personally wonder if there are more low cost ideas to enforce the laws than our sitting council members have discovered.  If there is case law on the books, the cost to put them into action may be very cheap.  Other than a few hours, what cost is there to any of us in hearing it at a council meeting?

Yes, my position is that we uphold our laws but I agree with you that it is largely a federal issue.  But refusing to even hear new ideas on the topic is bad process and that is a VERY pervasive local problem in our city.

Mike: I’ve answered your question again and again.  Agendize it and see what’s possible – nothing begets nothing.  To say that I am using this as a wedge issue is simply laughable.  I went to an endorsement meeting the other night with every other serious challenger in this race – you know what?  EVERY question asked of us dealt with illegal immigration!  Way off topic and keeping us from the many issues where the incumbents are weak.  Not my choice by a long shot.

Request for platform points is duly noted – had a plan to get this out at the beginning of the month and have just been bombarded with 100s of email regarding Kellar and illegal immigration.  Stay tuned...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><i>Linda Brown says:  “I rather have our City spend money on improving local transportation infrastructure, building and maintaining parks, and police that protect our city from actual crime like robberies. This is what I want my sales and local property taxes to pay for.”</i></p>
<p>I understand your position but it&#8217;s worth reminding that $1.5 Billion (with a “B”) of our property taxes are being spent directly on school, healthcare, and welfare to pay for illegal immigration; this in LA County alone.  RE: your desire to fight crime, talk to a Sherriff about the impact of SoCal gang’s and the roots that many have in illegal immigration.  Our city did not approve the recommended gang task force in the last budget and that is becoming a problem in our city.</p>
<p>That said, let me clarify my stance on illegal immigration and hopefully save your vote: I think we should put it on the agenda.  90% of the problem here could be solved if we simply allowed our people to speak to the issue, share ideas, and be heard.</p>
<p>I have not advocated spending money in enforcement but I do personally wonder if there are more low cost ideas to enforce the laws than our sitting council members have discovered.  If there is case law on the books, the cost to put them into action may be very cheap.  Other than a few hours, what cost is there to any of us in hearing it at a council meeting?</p>
<p>Yes, my position is that we uphold our laws but I agree with you that it is largely a federal issue.  But refusing to even hear new ideas on the topic is bad process and that is a VERY pervasive local problem in our city.</p>
<p>Mike: I’ve answered your question again and again.  Agendize it and see what’s possible – nothing begets nothing.  To say that I am using this as a wedge issue is simply laughable.  I went to an endorsement meeting the other night with every other serious challenger in this race – you know what?  EVERY question asked of us dealt with illegal immigration!  Way off topic and keeping us from the many issues where the incumbents are weak.  Not my choice by a long shot.</p>
<p>Request for platform points is duly noted – had a plan to get this out at the beginning of the month and have just been bombarded with 100s of email regarding Kellar and illegal immigration.  Stay tuned&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: mike</title>
		<link>http://scvtalk.com/2010/02/07/activity-without-accomplishment/comment-page-1/#comment-9014</link>
		<dc:creator>mike</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 08 Feb 2010 17:46:33 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Dave, if there are more pressing local issues, why haven&#039;t we heard you address any of them in weeks? It seems that you found a sexy wedge issue and have tied your campaign to it.  Along with that, you&#039;ve embraced far-right extremists like Roger Gitlin and posted partisan material like the videos from NotaFerryFan. 

At the moment, your campaign looks uninspired, unoriginal, divisive and under-funded. Choking on smug.

You never did elaborate on your magical powers of spotting illegal immigrants on the street.  How do you do that?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Dave, if there are more pressing local issues, why haven&#8217;t we heard you address any of them in weeks? It seems that you found a sexy wedge issue and have tied your campaign to it.  Along with that, you&#8217;ve embraced far-right extremists like Roger Gitlin and posted partisan material like the videos from NotaFerryFan. </p>
<p>At the moment, your campaign looks uninspired, unoriginal, divisive and under-funded. Choking on smug.</p>
<p>You never did elaborate on your magical powers of spotting illegal immigrants on the street.  How do you do that?</p>
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		<title>By: Linda Brown</title>
		<link>http://scvtalk.com/2010/02/07/activity-without-accomplishment/comment-page-1/#comment-9011</link>
		<dc:creator>Linda Brown</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 08 Feb 2010 17:18:41 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>While I believe illegal immigration is an issue, I don&#039;t want my city to spend money on enforcing regulations that is to be done by the federal government. That is why I pay federal taxes. Should the City regulate gays in the miltary? Same concept in my opinion.  

I rather have our City spend money on improving local transportation infrastructure, building and maintaining parks, and police that protect our city from actual crime like robberies. This is what I want my sales and local property taxes to pay for.

Anything more the City does would be an inefficient use of local taxpayer funds.

Mr. Gauny, I am very tempted to vote for you for the next election, but this stance on illegal immigration in pushing the City to infringe on duties of the federal government and potentially wasting the City&#039;s money has lost my vote.

Bertha, I know you&#039;re a big fan of only giving out accurate information as pointed out in SCVTalk&#039;s KROQ post. I need to point out that you incorrectly spelled the President&#039;s name. Its spelt Barack not Barak.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>While I believe illegal immigration is an issue, I don&#8217;t want my city to spend money on enforcing regulations that is to be done by the federal government. That is why I pay federal taxes. Should the City regulate gays in the miltary? Same concept in my opinion.  </p>
<p>I rather have our City spend money on improving local transportation infrastructure, building and maintaining parks, and police that protect our city from actual crime like robberies. This is what I want my sales and local property taxes to pay for.</p>
<p>Anything more the City does would be an inefficient use of local taxpayer funds.</p>
<p>Mr. Gauny, I am very tempted to vote for you for the next election, but this stance on illegal immigration in pushing the City to infringe on duties of the federal government and potentially wasting the City&#8217;s money has lost my vote.</p>
<p>Bertha, I know you&#8217;re a big fan of only giving out accurate information as pointed out in SCVTalk&#8217;s KROQ post. I need to point out that you incorrectly spelled the President&#8217;s name. Its spelt Barack not Barak.</p>
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		<title>By: David Gauny</title>
		<link>http://scvtalk.com/2010/02/07/activity-without-accomplishment/comment-page-1/#comment-9010</link>
		<dc:creator>David Gauny</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 08 Feb 2010 16:58:18 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Kudos to BGH for laying out a number of solid ways to address this issue locally.  She cites attorney and Professor Kris Kobach who has successfully lobbied for stronger immigration enforcement at the local level.  Some of his work has been appealed and upheld and are now case law.

Our city&#039;s &quot;nothing more can be done&quot; approach is very flawed and it&#039;s a cancer that&#039;s spread to other important issues like consideration of small business needs and over-development without a plan for high paying jobs.  We are late to the party in many areas and the self-congratulating needs to stop.

We love to say we&#039;re a small town and fill council meetings with talk of dog licensing and mag-lev trains but both are arguably much further off the mark than dealing with local impacts of illegal immigration on our City Council agenda.

And please don&#039;t misquote me: I agree that there are more pressing local issues and I never planned to make this a campaign agenda item.  However, I do not want the &quot;do nothing&quot; answer rammed down my throat any longer.  Stories of hurting illegal immigrants should not replace our legitimate public&#039;s right to have our council hear and discuss this issue on an agenda.  This is an obligation to our citizens – burying it is a disservice.

There is no question that more can be done.  This may not mesh with your agenda and it’s up to you whether you want to include the facts in your writings.  Unfortunately, our City Council does not have this same privilege and ducking them is wholly unacceptable.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Kudos to BGH for laying out a number of solid ways to address this issue locally.  She cites attorney and Professor Kris Kobach who has successfully lobbied for stronger immigration enforcement at the local level.  Some of his work has been appealed and upheld and are now case law.</p>
<p>Our city&#8217;s &#8220;nothing more can be done&#8221; approach is very flawed and it&#8217;s a cancer that&#8217;s spread to other important issues like consideration of small business needs and over-development without a plan for high paying jobs.  We are late to the party in many areas and the self-congratulating needs to stop.</p>
<p>We love to say we&#8217;re a small town and fill council meetings with talk of dog licensing and mag-lev trains but both are arguably much further off the mark than dealing with local impacts of illegal immigration on our City Council agenda.</p>
<p>And please don&#8217;t misquote me: I agree that there are more pressing local issues and I never planned to make this a campaign agenda item.  However, I do not want the &#8220;do nothing&#8221; answer rammed down my throat any longer.  Stories of hurting illegal immigrants should not replace our legitimate public&#8217;s right to have our council hear and discuss this issue on an agenda.  This is an obligation to our citizens – burying it is a disservice.</p>
<p>There is no question that more can be done.  This may not mesh with your agenda and it’s up to you whether you want to include the facts in your writings.  Unfortunately, our City Council does not have this same privilege and ducking them is wholly unacceptable.</p>
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