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« Reply #255 on: October 27, 2011, 08:31:48 AM »

My favorite rule is that grammar is the important difference between helping your grandpa jack off a horse and helping your grandpa, Jack, off a horse.
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« Reply #256 on: October 27, 2011, 01:39:10 PM »

How about the old trapper that beat off a bear with his bare hands.
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« Reply #257 on: November 14, 2011, 04:42:51 PM »

weak sauce

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« Reply #258 on: November 14, 2011, 05:37:59 PM »

And yet it has "MORE" flavor than previously.
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« Reply #259 on: January 06, 2012, 11:29:42 AM »

So, to commemorate the opening of Longhorns on Sierra I posted this lengthy comment on the blog... but it bears repeating here... and probably on yelp:

So I stopped by with my wife and daughter last night.

Having never had the privilege of trying them in Castaic, I’m a total Longhorn’s n00b. So I’m reviewing from the virgin perspective.

Walked in and there was a good crowd of 3 parties seated, one at the counter. For opening without much fanfare (perhaps a soft-opening?) not bad. A gentleman I assume to be the proprietor was sitting with one of the groups chatting with them (only guessed he was the proprietor because when they left, he went back into the kitchen…). Looking around at the tables and chairs, they appear to be Taco Bell’s leftovers, as well as the countertops and the ceiling and lighting. Rather disappointing. But hey, I get it, keep the budget down. Looking over at what was formerly the drink bar, there were lemonades and teas out as well as the various sauces, but they were sitting in standard home use crock-pot style slow cookers. Cost-cutting yes, but comes off all the wrong ways.

I noted the lack of prominent placement of a beverage machine, then further noticed sign indicating a refill fee for fountain drinks (tea and lemonade free refills). OK, I’ll stick with tea.

After the party at the counter finished their transaction (some difficulty with the credit card machine and the customer’s card missing a visa or mastercard logo, I dunno, we paid cash) we ordered. I got the two meat plate with brisket and pulled pork, the wife got chicken. We both had BBQ beans, she tried the coleslaw and I the Bacon Mac & Cheese.

We took our seats and the smell of the smoke burning outside was making our mouths water. My sweet tea was made to perfection but my wife complained her lemonade was watery. A few minutes later, our names were called and the food was ready.

The brisket was AMAZING. The smoke was perfect, cooked nearly perfectly, although a tiny bit dry as if it might not be sliced to order. But just a little bit… not bad. The sauce easily made up for it. The pulled pork was insanely good! Not a single complaint there except that there wasn’t more of it on my plate.

Again, being a virgin, I tried all three sauces. Sweet, Spicy and Mustard. I’m not a huge mustard guy, so meh on that (I suppose it’d be great with the sausage, but I didn’t have any), I really like both of the others, but the spicy takes it for me. Great sauce.

Both my sides, well, I coulda passed. The Bacon Mac & Cheese was missing the cheese flavor, and just some dried up slightly overcooked bacon bits sprinkled on top. Cook the bacon into the cheese sauce, and you’ve got something. (Longhorns you can have that idea for free, just comp me some free coke refills.) The BBQ Beans, the didn’t have the right consistency. Too thick, not really rich. I dunno. Not good, not bad, just sorta in the middle.

Conclusion:

It was good BBQ. Clearly the best in Santa Clarita to date. I look forward to going back. But, for my money, its overpriced. In today’s age, if I’m spending $26 for dinner for two, I’ve come to expect a couple things, including unlimited refills on my soft drinks, regardless of what they are, comfortable seating (not chairs anchored to the floor that swivel…) and bringing my food out to me with real utensils and not plastic plates and cutlery.

I hope that they step up the game, because I genuinely enjoyed the meats. Like I wanted to take pounds of it home. But its really lacking for a dine-in experience, and that is truly disappointing.
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« Reply #260 on: January 06, 2012, 02:36:23 PM »

To commemorate such an epic report, I posted this lengthy reply on the blog... but it bears repeating here... though I've retired from yelp:

I stopped by yesterday as well. I'm thrilled that they're back. I'll be posting at length, sooner or later.

BBQ is expensive the first time, when you feel obliged to try as much as you can. It's a worthwhile expense, because it gives you a pretty good idea of the overall philosophy and competence of the place. After that, just order smaller plates. In the original Longhorn's, after a while, I would usually get some $6.99 mini sandwich combo.

The refill thing struck me as odd, but if a BBQ joint makes their own lemonade, it's hard for me to order anything else. But, FWIW, while I was there, a soft drink guy was fixing a carbonation system, so maybe there will be a self-serve fountain, but not yet.

As for some of the stuff you're put off by, I'll refer to my obit of the Castaic location:

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I think there is a cultural disconnect that makes it difficult for authentic barbecue to thrive in the SCV.  Local patrons are often put off by things that are commonplace in barbecue-friendly areas: the slice of Wonder bread, the sauce held in Crock-Pots, day-to-day inconsistencies in texture and taste, the visible fat in the brisket or pulled pork and the occasional unavailability of a meat or two.  Elsewhere, that just goes with the territory, but too many locals find it unacceptable.  Worse still, we’re spoiled by the consistency of the assembly-line faux-Q that SCV is famous for.


Add to that: unglamorous dining area. The last location had loads of charm with its long wooden tables and what not. The new spot doesn't score as high, but even as a ghost of Taco Bell, it's well within the expected range when it comes to barbecue in much of the country.

I don't say any of that to condescend, but to translate. There's always going to be that tension, and they'll struggle to find the middle ground between an authentic expression of place and manner and their customers' expectations.

For example, they now serve a fairly tasty roll with their combos instead of a slice or two of white sandwich bread. The sliced bread was a big turn off in the SCV, where people equate it with being cheap. It is cheap, but for whatever reason, it's standard in every great barbecue place I've been to outside of California. In California, I've never had bad barbecue at a place that gives you white sandwich bread. It's a little wink that tells you they are for real. (and with that, I hope LH brings it back, even if on request).

The sauce in crock pots are a turnoff to some people I've talked to, but I think they're wonderful. First and foremost, they make their own sauce. Fresh homemade sauce matters so much. At home, I never mess with bottled sauce when making proper barbecue, ever. Also, warm sauce is better, anyway. It's probably a health code issue, too. Mustard sauce on the pork is pretty good, BTW.

All of that to say, adjusting your expectations is step one in enjoying a barbecue joint. In some contexts, it matters, but it helps to embrace the quirks of a dining experience that after all, is usually best enjoyed in someone's back yard.
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« Reply #261 on: January 06, 2012, 04:07:11 PM »

I replied on the post, but I'll reply here, and we can just leave it here.

I getcha, and thanks for taking the time. I really wasn’t tryin to h8 on it… but I think they could take a couple extra steps to make it a little nicer, even if thats to make it less nice.

One expects some of the shortcuts in the places that have been around for years. And by no means do I demand fine china. I’m just sayin, for the price I paid, I would expect more out of those areas. They could have taken the time and the small expense to gut the hell outta the taco-bell chairs and given us the park benches with some sawdust on the floor. Gimme free refills for life, and I’ll come with my sledge and goggles and help with the demo!

I guess that’s my whole point. The food is great, but its really lacking the charm. I couldn’t help but feel it was a warmed over Taco Bell, and that’s not just because I knew what it once was.

And see, I get the slice of white bread thing. But the roll was tasty! I’ll try the mustard on the pork next time.  You've got my email... hit me up next time you're headed that way and we'll meat there.  (Get it? Meat? I kill me!)
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« Reply #262 on: January 27, 2012, 03:58:24 PM »

So .. are we gonna "fire-up" the SCV BBQ invitational again?

Hmmmm???
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« Reply #263 on: January 27, 2012, 04:50:57 PM »

It's tax time, not BBQ time - at least for you.
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« Reply #264 on: February 24, 2012, 01:39:38 PM »

Not a BBQ question, but a grilling question. It has been awhile since the Alpiner household has had money for some decent steaks, but we picked up a couple of outrageous rib eyes for the weekend and I want to try a new "rub" on them. Anyone have one that they especially love?
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« Reply #265 on: February 24, 2012, 02:54:25 PM »

Long list, so I hope you're ready:

Salt
Pepper


That's it.

Kosher salt best, fresh coarse ground pepper is best.

To do something magical, salt it heavily about 45 minutes (or longer) before cooking. When it's time to grill, wipe off any excess salt, pat it dry, rub on the pepper (and a little salt, but less than you'd use otherwise).

The salting does some magic that tenderizes the meat in a really big way.

A little oil is good too. Helps with browning.
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« Reply #266 on: February 24, 2012, 10:42:39 PM »

Thanks Mike!
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« Reply #267 on: February 27, 2012, 11:05:18 AM »

So, how were they?
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« Reply #268 on: February 28, 2012, 08:40:28 PM »

Awesome! Thanks Mike!
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« Reply #269 on: April 24, 2012, 09:58:15 AM »

Shall we try this again?

Anyone up for an SCVTalk/Talkers "Family" BBQ?

Maybe instead of trying to have it at someone's house, we could try a park?

Anyone? Anyone?
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